From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jul 25 22:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14834 for current-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from watcher.isl.net (ppp-16.isl.net [199.3.25.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14829 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ortmann@localhost) by watcher.isl.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) id WAA00408; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:53:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Ortmann Message-Id: <199707260353.WAA00408@watcher.isl.net> Subject: Re: (over)zealous mail bouncing To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <13063.869763579@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 24, 97 09:59:39 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I beg to differ. Most machines which may validly receive email do *not* > > have valid hostnames. Using the majority-minority rule, *you* lose. > > That's reality. > That's sure news to me - every machine I've dealt with over the last > couple of years, absolutely without exception, has had a perfectly > valid hostname. What twisted kind of reality do you live in? ;-) Sir, try to ping my machine. You can't. The dns name isn't real. Or am I misunderstanding? > And it's also beside the point - I'm not against such machines > receiving mail, simply generating it. If they want to generate mail > then is it so much to ask to have them relay it through a legit host? > I don't think so. My .mc file causes sendmail to directly send out the mail, but munges the mail so that it appears to be coming from the domain where I can receive my mail. Upon connection my system uses POP3 to retrieve the mail. > > Please do not intentionally damage global email. The system can only > global email is already irretrievably damaged and quite possibly on > its last legs. What we're talking about here are strategies for > surviving in a post-spammer era and simply ignoring the problem and > leaving things wide open is not the answer we're looking for here. Thanks for your comments. -- Daniel Ortmann 507.288.7732 (h) ortmann@isl.net 2414 30 av NW, #D 507.253.6795 (w) ortmann@vnet.ibm.com Rochester, MN 55901 "PERL: The Swiss Army Chainsaw"