From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Jan 14 17:35:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BBBCAF695 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-x22c.google.com (mail-yw0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6718A1FE7; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w75so48192577ywg.1; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:35:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m74uSv2WK3gHP0t8lsnk+jZYOSPaW5oDfrZFSM+8mNk=; b=K1vHBhbhzYEqV2quLcXWF6zj2/WzHfCr5B3cZ//j47P88KmcXwJDKmkCay86sak3kX CFR+aHPCg7sRbHvjc3yDFznwpZEj6vylC1P9XOi1exfssvDKUkMlq6IvmudwBU+ahNpI ukPhZcwjSbXH5I8Wn9fL7xly8pq0jbHR9A185ST0A4vkC5xhq8clquXI1/0/RqQO+8ph AjVkiUpRF0ix166oeW7RZ0PRSw4nA2s3DZxywsxbmgEe78tcr1STa2aoaUVaG4lyNNZJ hpYFeiZYyj0H14IC5bx02JvniKuSdTYcP88g5QToAlAmrnqaXHwmzzKswrhagQMwaZpd vF8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m74uSv2WK3gHP0t8lsnk+jZYOSPaW5oDfrZFSM+8mNk=; b=no7/yHXI60T0JWaFRlwdOC2i+0auoI3oGxRCZkUKOD3zPl4ITrJGuDz5oSSpvcyuVs JS7wVvxU7jKJ5mKB4pgIZ6kT96F4GqfkfdrsuGQnX4ZEwNPzGXMYVLFGay8UUFRsSYcG rampLGNvotUUlC89qhb1a+QzA0YlL41oD3DPjfYoJh+QU7aBsfYFn+Yip6dr7iM/eMIQ GWe0H5o6pNEA4ELfR14gnmj1WcoObfwkw1A+y6iMTlj4znAyX4M+MbCPKe650mPSP5Ac 9Ne+s350o4BCr4qJ7leKUrLqn+E0wygKHGJLg0LzUA+0ndzmSztI7fU7v0SJ7Lu99ASj l6Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXI6oujIDVEUdhzBoeOAg1ENPmk+TMoOCNw+n3dyYd0ffe/kMRpC330kAlKZrqwIQvNjhj0bHXS0rJYiEQ== X-Received: by 10.129.72.208 with SMTP id v199mr21147011ywa.236.1484415317638; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: asomers@gmail.com Received: by 10.129.38.133 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:35:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <46CE81D4-FB40-4E41-99CF-A105D9E62369@FreeBSD.org> References: <58782699.2050504@gmail.com> <46CE81D4-FB40-4E41-99CF-A105D9E62369@FreeBSD.org> From: Alan Somers Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 10:35:17 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5v3m97ylGpZMuCM_8ULjkQBolIc Message-ID: Subject: Re: vt(4) chops off the leftmost three columns To: David Chisnall Cc: Ernie Luzar , FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:35:18 -0000 On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 4:43 AM, David Chisnall wrot= e: > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:00, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >> VT should have had better testing before becoming the default in 11.0. > > The choice was VT or no acceleration in X11, because all of the new DRI d= rivers depend on KMS, which requires VT. We only got VT in a useable state= (and therefore useable accelerated X11 for most of the 10.x series) becaus= e the Foundation funded the work. More contributions to VT are always welc= ome, but the choice was not between VT or something better tested, it was b= etween VT and black screens. > > David I should add, BTW, that on my Haswell desktop, the only place where I care about graphics, vt(4) works great. It works better than Linux did on the same hardware. It also uses a DVI monitor, so there are no issues with the borders. -Alan