From owner-freebsd-bugs Sun Jan 12 23:43:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F7137B401 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.galati.rdsnet.ro (main.galati.rdsnet.ro [212.93.152.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D62343F1E for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:43:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emil.cazamir@galati.rdsnet.ro) Received: from eNTer (ws-t2.galati.rdsnet.ro [193.231.184.57]) by main.galati.rdsnet.ro (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0D7hdUb006633; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:43:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from emil.cazamir@galati.rdsnet.ro) From: "Emil Cazamir" To: "'Chris Dillon'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Semirandom bug in FreeBSD's ATA querying Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:43:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c2bad7$7fe479d0$39b8e7c1@galati.rdsnet.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030112141215.V1497@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! -- > As far as the bug being in the hardware, I call bullsh*t. [...] > The Quantum Fireball drives are notorious pieces of crap. -- I can't believe any of these, and a "crappy driver/good drive" rate of fireball series is 1/200 [as far as recall]. Is true that they sold BigFoot series, which is usable only as a storage device, and is a fragile and sensitive to shocks. This model [Fireball LM] is designed about three years ago, but this is not a reason for it to not work. BUT: I saw two or three drives [Fireball LM series] with their chip burned! Keep this in mind. Best regards, Emil Cazamir -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chris Dillon Sent: 12 ianuarie 2003 22:32 To: jjramsey@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semirandom bug in FreeBSD's ATA querying On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, James J. Ramsey wrote: > As far as the bug being in the hardware, I call bullsh*t. The Quantum Fireball drives are notorious pieces of crap. You haven't been around enough of those drives if you aren't soured on them. So, FreeBSD isn't working quite correctly with this particular piece of crap. You can hardly blame FreeBSD for that, even though FreeBSD can and probably will work around the problem so that it does work correctly, it was not FreeBSD's problem to begin with. An unfortunate drawback of an OS working around a problem in a generic way via software for a misbehaving device is that it then paves the way for future devices to behave the same way and get away with it when the device vendor performs validation against that OS. We can probably blame this on Windows since that is undoutedly what Quantum did a majority of their validation against. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message