From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 26 18:44:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A2837B98C for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25954; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:42:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000326193926.00bbf160@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:41:59 -0700 To: Mark Ovens , Paul Richards From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: On "intelligent people" and "dangers to BSD" Cc: Jay Nelson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000325222749.D234@parish> References: <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> <38DB8D34.1A750C81@originative.co.uk> <20000325104927.B234@parish> <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:27 PM 3/25/2000 , Mark Ovens wrote: >The problem with civil liberties is who is entitled to what rights? >Too many do-gooders seem intent on making sure that criminals don't >have their rights denied/eroded/abused by the police that the police >are severely hampered in their work. If a police officer physically >restrains a person (s)he is arresting they stand an increasing chance >of being prosecuted for assault. The term "reasonable force" nowadays >seems to mean "no contact". I see. So the police are justified in bursting into a man's apartment without warning, gunning him down in cold blood, and then going "Oops, wrong apartment?" In Denver, the police did this and paid Ishmael Mena's family a mere $400,000 in compensation. With the Mayor's consent and approval. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message