From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 10:11:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E2E106564A for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CA88FC18 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so211877fxm.13 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uodN98SPGd+WdSZ9sgKf4fLVchJPQCCGg4uRWM/rabo=; b=L54u5zj+fPP20Kw/AcfnIgkh2b6+gxcpdO/OpAnwM1tQ1STZGLz4lETdZMATo66930 /qKOotEKxd7tsl6WZl/EclOjrDcfKusqQVCKnytWWr4jtAQ6EGpJDautsiH110l/TQLX uC1acyFHSlM1BOuFfneFIyaAM2olHj153EHK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=vsQg38wgIuNvxAC4dYb0t14RrRyNbQu1/ycHZ2c+ejFuGAGV/Vkr2bdDRoBMVdXQkb hzH4B6fHy+f/bDXs4lnY+7F5zf8Jg1nJ+c8Cb+5aMWyAl0sQSl6GPpZRk9Caw8IOd4H/ B7YK0bIovWo2as+IdkbxaQFkVC4imyoL6v75w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.82 with SMTP id b18mr7551670fas.38.1285150301554; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.57.20 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:11:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100922091005.GA7165@icarus.home.lan> References: <4C94617B.3080702@bsdforen.de> <20100918141727.22a81b66@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4C95AFE4.30608@DataIX.net> <174981284967033@web24.yandex.ru> <4c975197.1fY0dTyqrEwwwGi5%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4c981355.wc2y7hyfF2XUaLmh%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4C983C6C.9050101@DataIX.net> <4c99bdfb.IZQlFB9yVbtXyqe1%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20100922091005.GA7165@icarus.home.lan> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 05:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Jeremy Chadwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Distributed Version Control for ports(7) ( was: Re: autoconf update ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:11:43 -0000 On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Given the amount of GPL'd software in the base system, why are we > already fighting over licensing? What is it with the open-source world > and obsessing with licensing? It should be up for discussion after > alternatives have been determined as viable candidates (see below). > Probably rhetorical, but not all licenses are created equal. BSD license has a particular advantage in embedded/black box systems, so not polluting base with more viral licensing is pretty important to project as whole I think. There's a reason things like IronPort aren't Linux based. Take for example the way ZFS was implemented. It was done that way to keep the CDDL out of the kernel. That's part of the reason booting of ZFS is the way it is as a separate loader, not integrated. Licenses are a big deal, our world is not laissez-faire regarding them. Yes there are still some GPL tools in base but the number is really quite small and shrinking, however what's there is pretty big and quite essential. There has long been active if not frequently vigorous work to remove those bits. It seems GNU grep is nearing it's end, and man page stuff is being worked on, CLANG over GCC, etc. Anyway, my point was not to advocate fossil for this task, but to point out BSD license is a concern. Perhaps if you are able to find consensus, requesting a license change might be an option. -- Adam Vande More