From nobody Mon Dec 27 17:51:25 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7641918541 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:51:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JN4wp05Fqz3hjS for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-ua1-f48.google.com (mail-ua1-f48.google.com [209.85.222.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: carlavilla) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C29F82E18E for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlavilla@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-ua1-f48.google.com with SMTP id t18so20555016uaj.1 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53054QeNzrK2nv0yy2OtVzz25WdEYDxEtkuW+WAkBQm0uR+VOtuv FfsFu2IJQ4E+VvW3JpAQ7E9KZPb4zkeUqCUGT+I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHauCCFaC8F8CDwLqmTlBI0p7Upqgb9C94ZbHhytdXVrMiFMNgS7EICAUqP19l3Vz6BoNg32aGPs+3HSw1og0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3226:: with SMTP id x6mr4613094vsf.37.1640627497325; Mon, 27 Dec 2021 09:51:37 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2d4cc2be-524b-a3cf-fdfe-2c0df4258a0e@bluerosetech.com> <30dcef72-9bfd-6b68-bac7-980f7b907b1e@bluerosetech.com> In-Reply-To: <30dcef72-9bfd-6b68-bac7-980f7b907b1e@bluerosetech.com> From: Sergio Carlavilla Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:51:25 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is the old format documention still available? To: Mel Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1640627498; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3YEtuVlMmqG/CXMvBp0/xvN/ZAahdhqtpLEIjpJxFO4=; b=ZIUf2hijPrEJvVIG/Z61CK5nUV9afRPkqmAYjTRsZhcF9BDhqWBixaQ809jgKWhOCLRe+b /kjtJAJCE2wJNzR2ogdG1VPIEe2YVsWsBSpTKiqV1JzzomlgOr9napTjcHuj3T5aznhUD5 47nzJxTN0S9+KekHLKMEUoVCVhqUv3pm7Ol5VTSG9XnwmXVsnWw0EyjtI8+n+0poILou1u FO1hy2TFab2+q/ygssuntZDuS0faMMtf6Rmfd1EGWugMbRkuqA2mX83yZ67dSqk6wEJ0Z+ i8HZwjMGasGsmTq+R8r260+2cZBmI6gPZ7eu/Q4RzG6O9B08FLEbjfntfB9D5A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1640627498; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=utyGzgPs2Ira4vP371EOyNKQdmTaIJ2B7L2DyFn6X0uJTuZDQt/Qnpt/MrRhvzEtOku+dx V826rEbFpu+z0+K27PxHOt2Tgegh0EAmhXoJd7nbt9GCPHqa/UjvTKt3UvHeU0KeUh8qI0 h5iSnZN+sdVNzfW3c5DHW8iM93xvnCGsKcfcX25+dIjNXwtp70o8Q6AQeGP7w3PJJzLBKi 9ipoposeHLVYM/Zryw/27DbZD+KxeUrWBzjRXaFShbijG/sgrfcCr+BEZIAN3xHkDXLzem JAzM5Lof+q1MXmOgtPQEnmmJ+M/hFHoTd3yko9kQrEEEOM/GYBKD7Q1xqe2/lw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 18:46, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > > On 2021-12-27 8:50, Sergio Carlavilla wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 17:34, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > >> > >> How do I access the old format of the documentation? The new format has > >> major regressions that make it inaccessible. The old format wasn't > >> perfect, but it worked for screen-reading, mouseless nav, and mobile > >> browsers. The new format isn't compatible with any of that due to how > >> the sidebars take priority over the section content. > >> > > > > Hi Mel, > > > > No, the old format it's not accessible, at least not with the last version. > > > > Why don't you like it? We need to fix some things from the navigation. > > But if you give me your feedback it would be good to improve the website. > > The desktop site is insufficiently responsive. The sidebars take up 2/3 > of the horizontal screen space on a mobile browser. I use the "desktop > site" because the "mobile" version does not render correctly on Firefox > Android. > > Because chapters load as monolithic pages instead of splitting sections > into separate pages, the handbooks are extremely slow to load. > > If I click a section link that isn't the first or last section of a > chapter, the page will scroll as the entire chapter loads. > > Mouseless navigation doesn't work because the sidebar takes priority in > the cursor order and cursor position is reset to the sidebar with every > page load. Screen-readers are similarly confounded by the sidebars > taking precedence. > > In a full desktop browser, the sidebars cannot be resized, so larger > text or long section titles wrap in very strange ways. > > There are NUMEROUS proofing and formatting errors that did not exist in > the old format. Several examples of this is are in just the sidebar of > the Porter's Handbook: > > 7.3.USES=phpand Flavors > > 7.4.USES=pythonand > Flavors > > 7.5.USES=l u aand Flavors > > 9.5. SUB_FILESandSUB_L > Making > Use of > > 10.1 make > Running desc r i be > > 10.5.PREFIXandDESTDIR > > 13.6 execStatement in > Use Wrapper > the scripts > > There's no option to fully expand the left sidebar, so I can't skim it > like a normal index or ToC. > > The only way for me to use the documentation right now is to download > the entire thing as a single HTML file, element-block the ToC, and use > text search to find what I need. Hi Mel, Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll try to fix all these problems ASAP. Starting from today I'll have two weeks to work only on FreeBSD. Thanks for the report! Bye!