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Date:      Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:51:25 +0100
From:      Sergio Carlavilla <carlavilla@freebsd.org>
To:        Mel Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Is the old format documention still available?
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 18:46, Mel Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> wrote:
>
> On 2021-12-27 8:50, Sergio Carlavilla wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 17:34, Mel Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How do I access the old format of the documentation?  The new format has
> >> major regressions that make it inaccessible.  The old format wasn't
> >> perfect, but it worked for screen-reading, mouseless nav, and mobile
> >> browsers.  The new format isn't compatible with any of that due to how
> >> the sidebars take priority over the section content.
> >>
> >
> > Hi Mel,
> >
> > No, the old format it's not accessible, at least not with the last version.
> >
> > Why don't you like it? We need to fix some things from the navigation.
> > But if you give me your feedback it would be good to improve the website.
>
> The desktop site is insufficiently responsive.  The sidebars take up 2/3
> of the horizontal screen space on a mobile browser.  I use the "desktop
> site" because the "mobile" version does not render correctly on Firefox
> Android.
>
> Because chapters load as monolithic pages instead of splitting sections
> into separate pages, the handbooks are extremely slow to load.
>
> If I click a section link that isn't the first or last section of a
> chapter, the page will scroll as the entire chapter loads.
>
> Mouseless navigation doesn't work because the sidebar takes priority in
> the cursor order and cursor position is reset to the sidebar with every
> page load.  Screen-readers are similarly confounded by the sidebars
> taking precedence.
>
> In a full desktop browser, the sidebars cannot be resized, so larger
> text or long section titles wrap in very strange ways.
>
> There are NUMEROUS proofing and formatting errors that did not exist in
> the old format.  Several examples of this is are in just the sidebar of
> the Porter's Handbook:
>
> 7.3.USES=phpand Flavors
>
> 7.4.USES=pythonand
>                 Flavors
>
> 7.5.USES=l u aand Flavors
>
> 9.5.      SUB_FILESandSUB_L
> Making
> Use of
>
> 10.1      make
> Running   desc r i be
>
> 10.5.PREFIXandDESTDIR
>
> 13.6    execStatement in
> Use         Wrapper
> the         scripts
>
> There's no option to fully expand the left sidebar, so I can't skim it
> like a normal index or ToC.
>
> The only way for me to use the documentation right now is to download
> the entire thing as a single HTML file, element-block the ToC, and use
> text search to find what I need.

Hi Mel,

Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll try to fix all these problems ASAP.
Starting from today I'll have two weeks to work only on FreeBSD.

Thanks for the report!

Bye!



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