From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jul 11 10:23: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C7D37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6BHMUt21984; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: sheldonh@starjuice.net Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, bsddiy@163.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented In-Reply-To: <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> References: <200107110124.f6B1Opv16887@intruder.bmah.org> <1183.994843284@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010711102230C.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:30 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 42 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:21:24 +0200 > I'm very concerned with the fact that this style of response has become > commonly accepted within the FreeBSD community. I would have to disagree that this is an area of concern. Let's take it from the other perspective: There are a lot of clueless individuals out there who just don't understand the volunteer nature of open source and think it's fine to walk up and post criticisms on the bulletin board without any truly helpful suggestions, or to demand work of volunteers rather than offering to ASSIST them in their efforts. It happens all the time, and each time it does it serves to disillusion the volunteers just a little bit more as they wonder just why they're doing this for such an ungrateful pack of cretins. In such instances, I'd much rather have the volunteer vent a little steam and perhaps feel better rather than bottle it up until one day it just becomes all too much and they walk away from the project entirely. I'm not being alarmist or dramatic in painting that picture either because it's happened more times than I like to think about. It's also the case that people tend to only really learn lessons when they're hard lessons, and if getting a public spanking (albeit a mild one in this case) is what it takes to really drive the point home then I'll be the first to hand out paddles. Some people, like Mr Xu here, are even more resistant to clue transfer than most (just read the archives) and, if anything, Bruce was being rather admirably restrained with his response. In short, your approach may be fine one for conducting sensitivity training at the Oh Shamalu Spiritual Center, but I'm not sure it's appropriate here. This is the freebsd-hackers mailing list, and if you can't take a little engineering heat then this is probably the wrong place for you. Not everything in life needs to be "kinder and gentler", to borrow words from George Bush, and I suspect the folks who run police academies and military training programs would be the first to agree with me. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message