From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 9 19:54:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD73A37B6D1; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA26183; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Brett Glass Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Brett Glass (Re: No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD : Linux) :: (OS/2 : Windows))) ) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000708185857.04eda100@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Brett Glass wrote: > >The FreeBSD ABI was your idea, though I predict it was merely a rhetorical > >device. You develop it! > > As if Jordan developed everything alone.... Oh, for pity's sake, Brett, what is your obsession with Jordan? I don't know how much contribution jkh actually had to the linuxulator development, but I'm certain he didn't do it by saying "you over there, write this code because I think it would be a good thing, and it's time you showed your support for FreeBSD by working on it" I'm getting mighty sick of your tactic of popping up on the mailing lists every few months, arguing loudly at everyone in sight that "FreeBSD must do X if it is to survive, unfortunately I can't/won't actually do any of the work myself but trust me, it's for your own good and besides, you should all offer me respect and gratitude because I work so damn hard for FreeBSD in other ways" You seem to be a member of a class of FreeBSD mailing list participators who believes that they have the right to direct the people who actually do the work on FreeBSD, without having gained the respect of your peers by actually providing something of greater value to earn that respect. People who have actually done this sometimes find they *can* convince other people to do work for them based on that mutual respect, but it doesn't come for free. FreeBSD is a meritocracy, and repeatedly indulging in behaviour which makes your intended target audience think you're a steam-powered idiot is an unproductive strategy at best. You do realise that by now you've managed to alienate the majority of FreeBSD developers to the point where they automatically stamp everything emerging from the mouth of Brett Glass under 'W' for Waste of time, don't you? Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message