From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Oct 6 00:19:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC689E02813 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from AWilcox@Wilcox-Tech.com) Received: from mail.wilcox-tech.com (mail.wilcox-tech.com [45.32.83.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.wilcox-tech.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B508067A08 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 00:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from AWilcox@Wilcox-Tech.com) Received: (qmail 31629 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2017 00:12:31 -0000 Received: from 107-131-85-28.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net (HELO ?192.168.1.57?) (awilcox@wilcox-tech.com@107.131.85.28) by mail.wilcox-tech.com with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2017 00:12:31 -0000 Subject: Re: Making C++11 a hard requirement for FreeBSD To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20171005234149.GE8557@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: "A. Wilcox" Message-ID: <59D6CA6C.1040502@Wilcox-Tech.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:12:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171005234149.GE8557@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="slrISh42cF5UXu3P1CXAIa3Me4SDD0a6d" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:19:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --slrISh42cF5UXu3P1CXAIa3Me4SDD0a6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/10/17 18:41, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 04:28:44PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >> It's my belief that i386, amd64, arm, aarch64, powerpc and powerpc64 a= re >> ready for this change and mips* would be ready for this change with an= >> external clang toolchain. I'm unsure of riscv and sparc64, but suspect= that >> a newer version of gcc as an external toolchain could work. >=20 > If someone wants to test sparc64, that's fine, but with Oracle laying > off the SPARC it's arguably more dead than IA64 was when we removed it > (Intel shipped the last design *this* May). >=20 > -- Brooks >=20 Thinking out loud: That doesn't change the fact that sparc64 still exists, and with Oracle laying off Solaris as well, FreeBSD becomes a "way out" for people heavily invested (DC full of sparc64 gear, or such). That could make the sparc64 port not only more widely used, but more widely tested, with more potential developers. Or maybe not. I can't see the future :) --arw --=20 A. Wilcox (awilfox) Open-source programmer (C, C++, Python) https://code.foxkit.us/u/awilfox/ --slrISh42cF5UXu3P1CXAIa3Me4SDD0a6d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZ1spsAAoJEMspy1GSK50Us7gP/1nUIhKjsRg+59JjW4DkKeD7 VGnURu2EkJh6nAJEFstA1Z6KB/9cWDt1uqsxqxQbgSstziClIJhOnsp0T+UiflFK IdHFAk8MXgH3D+hRSz7BVaKQyn5ShT3lrTQR8IR3EUO4ej6Az5DBUg/ApSEV6BTU 7ebgGn/jw8A6qHTAITIvi7YYZO9LwATuxhkEDqT5xKQaNNS4hrDTVjc8lsrSU911 Qee3lh+lvRkpqf5+ysoE23W0DJKe39R4CCw9e0issUSHsm+05f9Ji+C7ItpmPZat czcWGla763d67vWZdSfHtyEnWg1gV2qbCR/N74OQT6GBnRzX0XV4PPARqIo/a4qe 5GxMjJ6kYRRH8NVllV7YwLbkZR8KsGVZRB8wkjdKp08bPhM5tLd9K1GiXnbUc14o CcDaFHLymdciAEQA1V6mD7SRihHli7BSWcY1zCREz/yrALaLifOIVpkBYj4QbEAY PrDb8nxnwcXCZd8yFgswFH1DiYHvkg0Iv0T6BQvfPxaByxJ5dmQf2iv7bAezmdbN WlVzdTXFnW96iS8HCG/EAug87SrtgUXPF1Hcf0NXw0OQ7PxPbHDQ87/L4YbbIYPP gznw9Mq5wrdz8ZNxHSRBiJzh5tmCgBeLrSLe3askLHyTc7cDIPzDAY+s8uDgNQzt qRDvnb4ulphPIPp8vwDT =KaIF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --slrISh42cF5UXu3P1CXAIa3Me4SDD0a6d--