From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Dec 21 12:44:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A73E947A7 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from smtp205.alice.it (smtp205.alice.it [82.57.200.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A842464CB9 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (87.1.57.7) by smtp205.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 5A0F897307FFF4D5 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:44:05 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBLCi2aw071666 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:44:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.ventu: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Re: Vote: making wayland=on default To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com> <23098.57983.262947.67141@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <813980de-b5f9-6834-e5ef-28bc76ee2f4c@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 13:43:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <23098.57983.262947.67141@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:44:14 -0000 On 12/20/17 23:21, roberthuff@rcn.com wrote: First off, I'm not trying to bring up any flame... my questions are real and I'd really welcome good answers. > Yuri writes: > >> It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) >> that wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is >> considered broken, then how, in which way? I have the same questions Yuri has... I've always seen Wayland enthusiasts saying they can't stand X11 no more, but I've never seen them explain what's wrong with it. N.B. I'm not implying nothing is wrong, I just wish they explained their point. > You ask "Is it broken?". > I ask "Is there a better way?" > ... > I think of X the same way. Fine, I agree with this. So, in what ways is Wayland better? That said, I have nothing against having Wayland support by default. I'm still ssh-ing into remote boxes to run graphical applications and I don't want to see this go away... but I read this is not going to happen (yet?), so it's fine to me. bye av.