From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 31 08:32:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A707D106566C for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6555B8FC0A for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so3565475yxl.13 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:32:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h+iGiVXv5+LZh2SH3WehPqCGWjWkkt5KXPHAUWvPsWQ=; b=cykJlka2XOAsi7Egpj3VlaJV4RYQnsPfcuj9BUvLHcHST5T7uwDQ+uPuEjaDHzlmo+ hmOcM+6V9CxAAcq+BwtbbvUSw6I4XtHnURvIqgPNzTqEZ4oUTD2DGKRTi6k76bK/qSDT 4ZrC/ypXybM+wGe8TJoYmKlUeqGZJiEK7CHbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.59.2 with SMTP id h2mr47777yba.44.1312101144058; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.151.26.14 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:32:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110714162120.U5838@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <1829828854.535346.1310583542523.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> <20110714162120.U5838@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:32:23 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gCxPbDeip66Xnyeg-NnYDBaTO1M Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Rick Macklem , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Zoran Kolic Subject: Re: recommendations for laptop and desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:32:25 -0000 Hi, If you'd like space on the freebsd wiki site, please create an account and then email me (or grab me on IRC) to sort out access. Non-developers can have access to the Wiki. I don't know why people think it's developers only. :) Adrian On 14 July 2011 17:22, Ian Smith wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Rick Macklem wrote: > =A0> Kevin Oberman wrote: > =A0> > On Jul 13, 2011 7:31 AM, "Zoran Kolic" wrote: > =A0> > > > =A0> > > > There is this list for laptops: > =A0> > > > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > =A0> > > > =A0> > > Been there. Seen that. Obsolete. > =A0> > > My very idea would be to have recent models in some kind > =A0> > > of wiki. I believe that at least hundred guys on the list > =A0> > > could post quality articles on the subject regarding lap- > =A0> > > tops they regurarly use. > =A0> > > > =A0> > > > See the recent thread on the freebsd-mobile list with subject > =A0> > > > "Laptop recommendations?" > =A0> > > > =A0> > > Mostly older stuff recommended. Hard to find or I dislike > =A0> > > what I see on the review for particular model. > =A0> > > Thank you for answering my question. > =A0> > > > =A0> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Zoran > =A0> > > =A0> > I agree that a wiki would be ideal, but it would require active > =A0> > management. > =A0> > That's the real issue. > =A0> > > =A0> > It's also the reason wiki.FreeBSD.org would not be practical. I mi= ght > =A0> > be > =A0> > able to admin such a wiki, but I have no place to put it. But I'm > =A0> > retired, > =A0> > so I should have time. > =A0> > > =A0> I recently installed Fedora15 and I thought it had a fairly clever > =A0> idea in it. At the end of the install (so presumably it had worked f= or > =A0> the hardware), it asked you if you wanted to email your hardware con= fig > =A0> to them. > > I recall one Debian install doing something similar. =A0People seem to be > forgetting about bsdstats (port sysutils/bsdstats, http://bsdstats.org/) > which attempts to do something similar though it focuses more on FreeBSD > versions, hardware lists via pciconf and optionally ports lists, posting > stats monthly and anonymously .. a plus for security but perhaps a minus > for being able to seek information from people having certain hardware. > > As seen at bsdstats.org, the very much greater number of PC-BSD systems > reporting reflects the fact that PC-BSD installs bsdstats as a matter of > course; clearly the voluntary approach is far less effective, and people > don't know that bsdstats reveals no personally identifying information > until they've looked it over; many likely don't even know it exists. > > Zoran's comments that http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ is 'obsolete' > are a bit misplaced regarding older kit that some of us use by choice or > necessity (eg my 2.5 Thinkpad T23s :) but that site did get swamped with > spam for ages, not all of which has been removed, and there's no way to > group posts describing the same models in slightly different terms. > > Hard to get past the notion that someone needs to actively work on it, > yet it needs to be largely self-maintained by its users independent of > anyone's ongoing enthusiasm; difficult, perhaps contradictory criteria? > > =A0> Something that just captured such emails and put them in a list (esp= ecially > =A0> if could catch duplicates) for people to look at might be nice. The = list > =A0> would get long (and not really indicate how well the hardware worked= ), but > =A0> at least it would be up-to-date and not require manual maintenance. > > It could only be up to date initially, and just grow from there .. one > advantage of the bsdstats approach is that only systems that continue > reporting in monthly continue being reported. =A0One could argue about th= e > various ways that database information is presented, but any skillful > database programmer could do quite a lot with such anonymised data, > particularly if there were some identification of hardware make/model, > though that's not available in the environment of reporting programs. > > =A0> I'm not volunteering to do this;-) although I'm retired too, but it = might > =A0> be a useful thing to have? rick > > Me neither, me too, and yes indeed. =A0Just a few pent-up thoughts .. > > cheers, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >