From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 5 01:07:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4389DAE1C for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 01:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf0-x231.google.com (mail-pf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBF61F05 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2016 01:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id 63so44022121pfe.3 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:07:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8PNxsJrXmvbiudhPNj/E7Wblvua6okrD/SPmM6uZJ9I=; b=QcbpXDDpx4m24AffEcEM9/BxYGsfyNCEsBzMgKIOsFlSVy/oP3derW/9DOgf3g6yQx tBNw1c+aKM5JyzpQ7YtDBImniHz5Xnv+MZgYzrgib3YqD6D0JvQ7DUtQVbZ01hx/UT43 CoEyEYcJBKj9DqCt5fk6yiUMbzQhIGjPdhgqLYygedNZljbPmXFYn7n+A6GZ5Vb8iAIg tkdaC+3D7QFkEnHYWmqIs66TXGPNJo6nF9pgwqRpsEjzgctL6JiBmu01VSaMcaUoEGHt iAiGk84+Hii5Xg0O7e1QrivWyiVNnRqbjuk1d18hJeNS2O0gNhcXf7XwgF3uSzG2/B0y J3yg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8PNxsJrXmvbiudhPNj/E7Wblvua6okrD/SPmM6uZJ9I=; b=kqjRMR6TTgFpaaRSp0DmX5SUv3kp8n+JZblvjcCoT4Y8HTjppFlb0HZArnMEr3gyU1 av0+NEHGi+2PZtSV84/ZIflkXhao3XQ15vBeNL3cv5LiHjoZgz0MF4kzlTfLh3aFCzfV 27uD4nHhtB4vGpsrR6bqacmIjSteJpupI3ZH3LpDI1lIPlNmcBnDOqG1T+iB0/cze+6V 0CcVZoWr47TGHOnKgPdp+Hvzs0ZSw+en/5hEzWi07hKosTvdMaCYKLMu/XaOlXXrgfkx iWoWzKE91aGrKL/qOMJ8ubUqmCTJqlY+uVnemf1gUd97zCc//5Ph1KMJEDkmye0S+XUI TwsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKt5b7u90Mdqo7DYXoCJlerVO5zyLhA6vguyljWNK02BaFgW5Mr9SMjSxLXLpQaOg== X-Received: by 10.98.12.129 with SMTP id 1mr16383522pfm.95.1457140043435; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.132] ([120.29.76.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e1sm8147662pas.1.2016.03.04.17.07.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:07:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <56DA3149.7070808@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 09:07:21 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralf Mardorf CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Span in the lists References: <87egbqfpqc.fsf@mitoraj.siccegge.de> <20160304134618.16fc67d1@archlinux.localdomain> <20160304135317.662d1258@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20160304135317.662d1258@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2016 01:07:24 -0000 Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:46:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions > wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 06:49:46 -0500, Carmel wrote: >>> I use "claws-mail" and code it right into the special folder I use for >>> each mail forum. >> I use Claws too. It were just around 7 junk mails [1] and not >> many. All of those mails sent to freebsd-questionsATfreebsdDOTorg >> were correctly detected by my bogofilter, just one mail wasn't filtered >> by bogofilter, this one was one of two junk mails sent to >> multimediaATfreebsdDOTorg. If you trained your junk filter today, next >> time this junk mail unlikely will annoy you anymore. >> Consider to drink a coffee and stop the time how long it takes to mark >> mails as junk and next time stop how long it takes to just empty the >> junk folder. >> >> Don't make mountains out of molehills. >> >> [1] >> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2016-March/date.html >> [2] >> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-multimedia/2016-March/date.html > > PS: In my junk folder, btw. it's the trash folder, was no false > positive. A molehill is something that only effects a few people. But saying that all users of the different mailing lists should modify their personal email software to filter out spam from the FreeBSD lists is just plain stupid. It's FreeBSD goal to present it's self as a professional organization, but yet the powers to be are still stuck in the past. Maillman is the software application used for all the 'lists' and its designed with user registration built in. Its simple to turn on. Posting to the list is only half of the problem. What about all the spam sent to list members email address that got harvested because all posts show the posters email address? Again the solution is right in front of us. Mailman software also has config option "anonymous_list" which stops putting real email addresses in list posts. Its time FreeBSD steps up to the plate and takes the normal steps to tighten control over the lists at the central source instead of forcing the list users to do it. There is no defense that can justify keeping the lists from registration. Lets get with the times and demonstrate how professional FreeBSD really is.