From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 10 13:51:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1AE106566B for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3D18FC1A for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp33.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4A91630AD4; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:51:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp33.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 3C4B830A94; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:51:06 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: mikel king , Nerius Landys Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Apple & FreeBSD relationship In-Reply-To: <3633432D-06EA-4AB0-B72A-9967F09D3704@olivent.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Apple & FreeBSD relationship X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:15 -0000 On 3/9/11 8:57 PM, "mikel king" wrote: >In recent years their marketing as gone to some lengths to scrub the >references to BSD & UNIX from the brochures. It's like they are ashamed >of their roots, again personally I think they hired some new anti-geeks >that just don't get it. i think it's deeper than that. they know what they are doing. back at the beginning, os x was great. finally a decent, user-friendly gui on top of a decent unix-like thing, which, oh joy, felt like bsd. for years, apple improved os x and did some oss work. e.g. webkit is decent stuff. life was good. ms word in this window, terminal in that one, mysql, perl, then the iphone and the disaster of not having an sdk ready (other than mobile safari) happened. they wised up and everything changed. with ios apple has a strategy to get away from all that openness. they are steering developers away from the web and portable web apps. so they are backpedaling on safari and os x as best they can. if they can dominate in mobile hardware for a while longer they may achieve some serious api lock-in. then we will be in trouble. it is the same strategy ms used after they won the browser war with netscape -- they backpedaled on IE, got very deep windows api lock in, and made a load of money. it's been a curious inversion. 10 years ago, in terms of how scared i am, i'd have ranked ms, apple and google with ms at the top and both apple and google as not very scary. now i am terrified of google, very scared of apple and i hardly even think about ms. so i think the change is very canny and comes from the top, not from some anti-geeks that don't get it. and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself.