From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 18:35:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A264106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas.sparrevohn@btinternet.com) Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0A7A8FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 18:35:13 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 18:35:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2012 18:35:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 866987.43497.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48721 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2012 18:35:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=nmBMIHhedtGXtpKEzTxJAX5Zd3Bdaz5XxBeSY21k1KpuYPW2khVstV1Y1qxG6tqUgjp+k51OnXTOv4Ds/WHzZthCo1upHeta6FpBF+OGC7UPN+Bc7VKLKQR4OpEb2lWMRmfARLF+beyEnUriLhvLD/CfD6tcDL2DctqNGSsCs40= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1341513313; bh=KtZXtzJm9u7rmxw0d/jt6ILUzsLKiBF+QSZL5OVGX4Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=DNQe7lreXnrheR6Epk48RjyOjLjj0BfWzu3/5owi7+0i/RqIEsqit5+a2qgFKWuZE8lR4cBu7YIRPnRkhxM0F/XB/qUowZ6NbhvUL1Rfe9CMftfnjJrjLp63iwTrQ3s63i1w3p5skFqScLJvl9fmTHDz9ql1WMkt1fiX0Kjrg+8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xXaiHjMVM1kVpfSQKqQj6KpmwNcSUL6xoFrYdD09mmfATxv up74KyJ8A7bL_HY6iGRZf4cjCfv5rYS94IHRO2GVtiFoiS13YpQgRpMlSatJ 0RnV5VDLuFlSQtQQsuggb0l1nGFFbEMgb.oGutW5Rtt0Wt6dYcMVEWpq8ORX S2Szi0_vWn6xlBqxwLPqmDHPEJOoT7i33XB9vvybrNjD88CLVvk25zSy6R5w _UT7ajKA0RBxZDM4astAWu40WdBsnM8g75Ie9iQNFOR3i1GrA1g4OIWlgx7X BKSwiMH_1yjNTnZYmDjCH2on0U6WwQNQFRUKhN_.iZVeMNQh6qff2AWyXpE6 SKBmVsUE274nQyoist4v4UoeZ2UlvTm4ZqCYRxPlv_F6Rs7MHsRtK3WgJ2sM 6aqYoiPZZZk_NUv9PS11SdOX4pAbXiUuFvQ2pjcp6HEMQFuHMhNo- X-Yahoo-SMTP: IZRlAYqswBDptUXTX.cYc1l2h3YNYE0xlrpi4wWl.OMHg4FYv7uDnfZx6kQf Received: from thomas-freebsd.aah-go-on.com (Thomas.Sparrevohn@86.133.211.100 with plain) by smtp826.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2012 11:35:13 -0700 PDT From: Thomas Sparrevohn To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:33:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/10.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.8.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201207051933.31802.Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:35:21 -0000 I am sorry everybody I simply don't get this conversation - Implement it as a port - add it to bash/zsh/tcsh as an option - feel free - But if objective is to make a vanilla FreeBSD easier to use - I can think of 10,000 things (give or take a couple of 1000's) that would be a more wothy target. But for everybody's sake don't pollute the base system - before we know it you would argue that X11/KDE4 should be part of base as well as they make it easier to use. Principle has alway been to try things like that out as ports first and when everybody loves it move it into base (given and take the mandatory wars over copyright types etc).