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Date:      Wed, 8 May 1996 21:09:34 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Richard Toren <rpt@miles.sso.loral.com>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Cc:        techsup@buslogic.com
Subject:   Buslogic 445C & AMD DX/4-133 fails
Message-ID:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.960508204153.21300A-100000@miles>

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Oh SCSI masters...

  I have been using the BusLogic 445C controller with my DX-66 system
for the past 2 years. I am now trying to upgrade my system with a new
motherboard and processor.
  The bottom line is that all tries have ended in a situation where the 
'post' completes, but the boot hangs where it should be accessing the disc.

  I have been through 3 motherboards and 2 processors and they all act 
the same way. 

  ? has anyone used a BT445C at a speed above 66 MHZ?

 The different components have been a:

    'Pine' motherboard (that turned out not to do bus mastering).
    'HOT-419' 486 VL-Bus Green Main Board.
    2 different AMD Am5x86 -P75 \n AMD-X5-133ADW processors.

 With each of the possible combinations, I did find that if I disabled
the internal cache, occasionally it would boot (even the non-mastering) one.
The HOT-419 let me adjust the VLB speed (>33, <33) insert a VLB write wait 
state, adjust the 'RDY# delay' and the 'ADS#" signal. All to no avail.

 The response from BusLogic was :

>Dear Sir:  There have been numerous reports of problems with L1 caching
>with some of the 5x86 and AMD chips when using a busmastering controller,
>which results in a non-boot situation unless the cache is disabled.  That
>sounds like what you're running into.  The typical external VL bus speed
>is 33 MHz, and the ISA bus speed should still be around 8 MHz. 
>Busmastering is required in the slot the card's using, so you might check
>to be sure that it's enabled.  (It's also possible that the L1 cache
>enable turns off busmastering.)
>
>The adapter itself should be able to handle 40 MHz in a stable VL
>motherboard, but we have had reports of some of the clone motherboards
>becoming unstable at bus speeds over 33 MHz. 
>
>Your bios and firmware are not current, but that should not prevent the
>card from booting. 
>
>Regards,
>Jo Kellner
>BusLogic Technical Support


? Does this sound reasonable ? What are the odds of two defective AMD
  processors?

? Should I just get a new SCSI controller? If so what brand and model? 
  Needs to be bootable, handle 2+ drives, 2 GB drive size, Work with
  FreeBSD, DOS / Windoze, prossibly bus mastering for performance? 

? Does the bus mastering add significant performance?

? Shud I set this mb up for the kids with an EIDE disc as a screeming
 'Doom' machine?

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