From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org  Sun Dec  3 11:54:28 2017
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org
 [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB678DF8A46
 for <freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>;
 Sun,  3 Dec 2017 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kozlov@ravenloft.kiev.ua)
Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
 [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5])
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EB776187
 for <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>; Sun,  3 Dec 2017 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kozlov@ravenloft.kiev.ua)
Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix)
 id D5FBADF8A45; Sun,  3 Dec 2017 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC)
Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org
 [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1])
 by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E5ADF8A44
 for <arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Sun,  3 Dec 2017 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kozlov@ravenloft.kiev.ua)
Received: from ravenloft.kiev.ua (ravenloft.kiev.ua [94.244.131.95])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (Client did not present a certificate)
 by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9433E76186
 for <arch@freebsd.org>; Sun,  3 Dec 2017 11:54:28 +0000 (UTC)
 (envelope-from kozlov@ravenloft.kiev.ua)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 12:54:24 +0100
From: Alex Kozlov <ak@FreeBSD.org>
To: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com>
Cc: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, arch@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Deprecating / Removing floppy drive support
Message-ID: <20171203115424.GA68886@ravenloft.kiev.ua>
References: <imp@bsdimp.com>
 <CANCZdfrYdQTtjZJ_+jSVr25wjAZXd-+4atSaeT5ahfprbtXHWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201712030616.vB36GFEg026146@slippy.cwsent.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <201712030616.vB36GFEg026146@slippy.cwsent.com>
X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture <freebsd-arch.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-arch>,
 <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>,
 <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:54:29 -0000

On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 10:16:15PM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote:
> > I'm keen on getting that into the tree. I have a ufd device and a need to
> > use it from time to time. If nothing else, I can be a reviewer of the code.
> > Is ufd working for you?
> It does work. My todo was to merge ufdformat into fdformat but as I said 
> they are different enough that I need to work out how best to merge them. 
> Having said that, now that there's discussion of removing fdc(4) maybe it's 
> best to simply use ufdformat separately from fdformat that when we have the 
> inclination to remove fdc(4), which may be very soon now -- it would be 
> much less messy. I'm open to either option.
If you talk about https://people.freebsd.org/~bms/dump/ufdformat/
it's easier to just import it as ufdformat. The code above is very wip though.

> Personally, I don't care much (well maybe just a little) if fdc(4) itself 
> is removed however I think we need some kind of support, which USB fd can 
> supply if or when fdc(4) is removed. Maybe we should deprecate in 12 and 
> remove in 13?
As I understand, plan it to remove fdc(4) aka NEC765/i8272 controller
device driver and userland utilites that depends on it, usb floppy uses
umass UFI which will stay.


-- 
Alex