From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 18:57:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C99106566C; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EC58FC0A; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so3968013wib.13 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:57:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sEKiTWtcLFGIoPSwi5hPAvEdIkWNioWWuqxj++8aN4s=; b=cdg7KwVVj/nBe1IrEmuUjUPoef6+AZvCI8G9vaSv3zeC55+XnkGrgwFlMl+Y0Kim/p HUUL1lk2/uqG553bpsRoM+h3rkz35xTdjOZSOR8i9V+/14Weo1fq1ChDBzmBeMX0m/HP HFdEB1+x6N/UUeiyVJJeZ2hlTwXqgwSJJCdsM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.109.77 with SMTP id hq13mr33140875wib.7.1326911271274; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.157.198 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:27:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F170623.4080006@freebsd.org> References: <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <1326836797.1669.234.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F16019F.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <1326843399.1669.249.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org> <4F16900A.90905@FreeBSD.org> <4F170623.4080006@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:27:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Ian Lepore , Robert Watson , Andriy Gapon , Igor Mozolevsky Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:57:31 -0000 On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Julian Elischer wrote: > > we really need a bud-submitting-user advocate.. > > Someone (need not have a commit bit) who doesn't take charge of the patch, > but, rather, > acts as a project manager in hte process of getting it in. > i.e. finding, and then pinging the approriate developer, and occasionally > nagging them or > finding an alternate dev if the first choice is unresponsive. > > diplomatic skill would be important.. maybe a woman might be best in > this job as the developers tend to not want to be rude to women :-) . > I've suggested this before without much response, but since this thread seems to be encouraging repetition I'll give it another go. ;) I think a bounty system would be very effective(e.g. micro-donations of recent political campaigns) in getting many of these problems resolved. The main problem with a bounty system is getting people to pay since certain needs/desires lose their urgency over time. To address this, the system needs to be an escrow type setup where money is pooled until project is complete, then payment in full is given. There are large barriers to entry in setting up such a system though such as legal and financial hurdles. I don't believe the technical hurdles are over-whelming and I would be willing develop a web front end for such a system. Because of the barriers I believe such a system should be setup and spun off by the FreeBSD Foundation and I don't want to do any dev unless there is some momentum. -- Adam Vande More