From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 14 01:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5056D16A420; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:11:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA0A43D5D; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:11:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0E1BD1s094888; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k0E196p6040149; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k0E196lw040148; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:09:06 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20060114010906.GA38113@svcolo.com> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org References: <20060112080856.GI84964@svcolo.com> <20060112205015.GA13244@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060112205015.GA13244@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Fast releases demand binary updates.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:11:36 -0000 Replying offlist because this topic is dead. On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:50:15AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > Deliberate antagonism of most (if not all) FreeBSD developers is unlikely > to assist in getting your ideas listened to. Asking if there it was possible to prioritize getting something done is to antagonize? Nothing in any of messages (except the well known fact that the majority of code submitted to FreeBSD maintainers is ignored) is an antagonistic statement. Absolutely everything I said is pure fact, regarding what has been said in the past and what it isn't possible to do today without some sort of core versioning. > You also left out the results of the assorted claims/promises you made: > > 1) "core" deliberately killed suggestions of improved binary update processes > You have yet to produce the e-mails demonstrating this. Yes, I'm not going to waste time doing this. Random offtopic demands for proof of well-documented and extensive threads about the core packing/versioning issues are just a way to annoy someone, and prove nothing. > 2) Your PRs get ignored. > This has been disproven by examining the status of your PRs. It > appears that you never received the status updates, but equally, you > never appear to have bothered following up any of the PRs. That's less than 1/10th of the patches I've submitted. Apparently many are simply deleted. And read the PRs you quoted, where I would update them periodically saying "Any action on this?" Nobody ever responded to any of my followups, so what exactly are you blaming me for? Ah, I see. It's my fault for not submitting code (which I do and was ignored) and my fault for not following up (which I do, and was ignored) and thus it's really all my fault that none of this gets fixed, right? > 3) Your promise to provide a formal requirements specification defining > exactly what you are asking for. > Again, you have yet to produce the information you promised. I can't find any reference to this in the threads. I can find someone asking for this, and me pointing out why this was ridiculous. The question at hand was not: Fix This For Me, or Fix Exactly This Problem or anything like that. If you continually change the topic, don't be surprised that I am unwilling to continue down a road I have no interest in. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation