From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 14 2:30:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from enst.enst.fr (enst.enst.fr [137.194.2.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C7714E70 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from beyssac@enst.fr) Received: from bofh.enst.fr (bofh-2.enst.fr [137.194.2.37]) by enst.enst.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13929; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:30:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by bofh.enst.fr (Postfix, from userid 12426) id 9B92DD226; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:30:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990614113023.A54926@enst.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:30:23 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: Matthew Dillon , Joel Ray Holveck Cc: Garrett Wollman , Brian Feldman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RE: net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive on as default ? References: <199906052344.TAA19843@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199906060057.UAA20103@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199906060626.XAA17701@apollo.backplane.com> <86d7z6j89k.fsf@detlev.UUCP> <199906130411.VAA65201@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199906130411.VAA65201@apollo.backplane.com>; from Matthew Dillon on Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 09:11:23PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 09:11:23PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > I can only repeat: Turn them on and see if they effect you. You will > almost certainly find that they do not effect you. Ask your friend to > turn them on and see if they effect him. If he's tailing syslog in those Since it doesn't affect anybody according to you, you're implicitly admitting there's really no use turning them on either. Your argument self-destructs! Regarding syslog, you can perfectly tail a log which logs only urgent messages, i.e. you *won't* have any message in it in normal circonstances. Then you *don't* want it closed because of a temporary network outage. This discussion has been way beyond rational arguments from the beginning (the only real work on the matter, RFC 1122, has been discarded from the start as outdated), and PHK has committed the change more than one week ago, so I don't see the point in going on. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@enst.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message