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Thread-Topic: Is it time to retire the scanner ? Thread-Index: AQHSLGf/dzNjayvymUWEeCgsz2Ryjg== Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 13:27:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;freebsd.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=outlook.com; x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BL2NAM02HT225; 6:YcArir41qmetAMX/sPORsDnujVMBJzp5+ble/Y4Qy86ZD4s+2XHtWSuqfcDQfo+BK5yDNoHlDpovy2hBKAEP7JU+8/iYyBW9l268Rv3C/QIOllX2oIssYAAyrAbOKDTq4zbdVbcAYGAkf9OsDB6tOIkbB3kaL49xCa9pCHR/0xzAcD6GgceG0Ij3mdqYTi7TGgCRpU+jFcVS0INHx54j0+Y5LWO8LEpSD2GVewwOwPDDy49XsG5DCZJOyuV1Gt0nrkIBMcKSy31nvXyDgsQphF1Q7rzBl74/LSwcSJJGXx/uNpyusFF2LycFPWU1josi; 5:rdeYn985VdBFVRlfgjn+Ifmrr5BvtEoLevUiU0YjYEEfwrEbwzmmPPos4Wh1HqgXlhKE+zbWrQBgb2c2H1povvVrEl2IFtt+/UZ0oAP4joW/zjn2KvqpVc5sMWjIUI1aKcudN9sEk4Q9Yzyb9wnKgg==; 24:1LzhrlHo+3P05ZUib5osETdSb2Jv05smtn3hbPfakzzwcAUAYd2mCzEgnl+gTIqw2qca2dyzF0DvIgvoKVPI9fhCLvyPyYNTMb5j8RwszSA=; 7:8JLmTfdI2/2CPjQGwvQBhWJITj9xWM3GV+ljgiR5qKk7qw16fdgy+EB4uwn6LQLkDPWf8xx1oazILvaPAWPCkWylH2qfjytT/oagFpb8f59mxu/dpdOf6hk1g9TDu/YcUNyJcgD3txUNouSMwvTB8Df31UIHGgiwDlWZJ6FvYtlHeNHaXFjKOEgfs6owyHsgXswD6TJtCNwVLRJTm1bHTu2NCn9DR5tTZjZIoo4eGX+7hDtnkencSfZSVWFZ+L+09AkCEnHHHk0LYAwJ8pI6lLwxRg3RwztpDKsEGOyg4ZyullP1e+95aXgAJpR2GEeL4+Jcd2rGxHP4p64FgUWSa2ZdBnKXviLEQGz3OIPuBn4= x-forefront-antispam-report: EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BL2NAM02HT225; H:BN6PR20MB1394.namprd20.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 9100a8ee-32d4-49e1-5271-08d3fa7f217a x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047)(1603101337); SRVR:BL2NAM02HT225; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:BL2NAM02HT225; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BL2NAM02HT225; x-forefront-prvs: 01039C93E4 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Oct 2016 13:27:13.0576 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL2NAM02HT225 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2016 13:27:14.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[00727E10:01D22C68] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 13:27:21 -0000 On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 12:38:43 +0000, Manish Jain stated: > But ideally I would like everything working under FreeBSD natively - > I do not want my hardware to be dependent on Redmond at all. That is probably not going to happen anytime soon. WIFI is a great example. Support for the 802.11n protocol is hard to find. Support for those listed below is virtually nonexistent. 802.11ac 802.11ad 802.11af 802.11ah 802.11ai 802.11aj 802.11aq 802.11ax 802.11ay True, many of them are not standard yet, but even when they become mainstream, FreeBSD will probably lag far behind other systems in supporting them. I have a Win10 machine that I use because it supports my printers, scanners, etcetera. In simple terms, "It Just Works". WinXP is extremely old, and drivers written that will work reliable on that OS are going to become harder to find. That is why I used the free update path to Win10 last year. It allows me to run peripherals that don't run well, it at all, under FreeBSD. Personally, I got sick and tired of purchasing quality printers, scanners, etcetera only to find that they either would not function or functioned in a degraded fashion. --=20 Carmel