From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 03:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5722116A41C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 03:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from S4.cableone.net (smtp4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0798D43D1F for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 03:47:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.local.lan (unverified [24.119.122.41]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 22209905 for multiple; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:09:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:48:02 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: Matthias Buelow Message-ID: <20050608224802.78f4e6a4@vixen42.local.lan> In-Reply-To: <42A73293.5000105@incubus.de> References: <20050608001306.3FB1F43D5C@mx1.FreeBSD.org> <42A6C7CE.9000002@incubus.de> <200506080908.02478.fcash@ocis.net> <42A71AE1.8020300@incubus.de> <6.2.1.2.0.20050608134054.06b8ccb0@64.7.153.2> <42A73293.5000105@incubus.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.11 (GTK+ 2.6.7; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=32, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.122.41 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.4: Is it generally unstable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 03:47:09 -0000 On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:01:55 +0200 Matthias Buelow wrote: > Mike Tancsa wrote: > > >> I remember 5.2.1 panicking left and right, on several machines, > >> it was completely unusable. Maybe we just live in different > >> universes. > > > > Me too, but a lot has changed since 5.2.1 which at the time was I > > think was called a preview. The topic is 5.4R. What parts of > > the OS do you feel are not production ready as compared to 4.X ? > > I won't go into the details here; it has crashed and frozen on me on > several occasions, it behaves badly when you do things it does not > expect, like pulling a mounted USB stick, it doesn't have working > software RAID (Ok, vinum never worked properly but that's a > different story), and it's performance is sub-par. I consider it > "production ready" when the new architecture has fully been > implemented, GIANT is gone, all those race conditions and deadlocks > that seemingly still persist have been fixed, and is has weathered > a release or two after that without apparent problems. I just had to try the USB part... other than having to unmount it and remount it, I had no problems.