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Date:      Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:01:36 +0200
From:      =?iso-8859-2?Q?Edward_Tomasz_Napiera=B3a?= <trasz@FreeBSD.org>
To:        =?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9_Drbohlav?= <drb@karlov.mff.cuni.cz>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Some of ZFS ACLs doesn't work as expected
Message-ID:  <F80BF5E0-E402-4466-A836-5481F9A4DF81@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <503226C6.3040201@karlov.mff.cuni.cz>
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Wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 napisana przez Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Drbohlav w dniu 20 =
sie 2012, o godz. 14:00:
> On 20.8.2012 13:53, Edward Tomasz Napiera=C5=82a wrote:
>> Wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 napisana przez Pavel Bychykhin w dniu 19 sie =
2012, o godz. 19:56:
>>> 19.08.2012 19:40, Edward Tomasz Napiera=C5=82a =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=
=D1=82:
>>>> Wiadomo=C5=9B=C4=87 napisana przez Pavel Bychykhin w dniu 18 sie =
2012, o godz. 19:48:
>>>>> Dear community!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> After my experiments with ZFS, I concluded, that permissions =
"delete_child" and "delete" are ignored.
>>>>> For the create/update/delete operation a list of "rwxp" =
(read_data/write_data/execute/append_data) is fully sufficient.
>>>>=20
>>>> They are not ignored, but yes, write access on a directory is =
enough to delete a file.
>>>>=20
>>>>> No need to specify the "delete_child" and "delete" permissions at =
all, or I don't understand something?
>>>>=20
>>>> Unless you need them - no, you don't.  That's why these bits are =
not set in a default
>>>> case (so called 'trivial ACL', i.e. no ACL set on a file).
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Could you please provide an example of at least one practical =
situation, where the "delete_child" and "delete" permissions would be =
useful?
>>=20
>> You could allow for file creation, but deny file removal.  Still, as =
someone
>> already mentioned, main reason for these to exist is compatibility =
with Windows
>> and NFSv4 spec.  It's just that they are not _completely_ ignored, =
like SYNCHRONIZE
>> or READ_XATTR/WRITE_XATTR are.
>=20
> Please beware, that based on my experience, SYNCHRONIZE bit is not as =
ignored as you would probably expect. For example Samba configured to =
save NT rights in NFSv4 ACLs need 's' for seamless opertion of File =
Explorer on the other side of Smb... It appeared after some upgrade I =
made about a year ago or so.

By ignored, I mean ignored by FreeBSD (or Solaris, for that matter) - =
FreeBSD stores
this permission, but doesn't do anything more about it.  Windows =
obviously _does_
use it.

--=20
If you cut off my head, what would I say?  Me and my head, or me and my =
body?




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