From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 17 18:18:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C316A40F for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FB243D60 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:18:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A7449.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.116.73]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8HIIqEA074995; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:18:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8HIIxj2005844; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:19:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8HIIx15092881; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:18:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200609171818.k8HIIx15092881@fire.jhs.private> To: stable@freebsd.org, Scott Long In-reply-to: <450D07F1.9080301@samsco.org> References: <20060916193420.GA15647@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609162012.k8GKCi3x080193@fire.jhs.private> <200609162135.k8GLZkiO081098@fire.jhs.private> <20060916214219.GA19007@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609170019.k8H0JZre082044@fire.jhs.private> <450D07F1.9080301@samsco.org> Comments: In-reply-to Scott Long message dated "Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:31:45 -0600." Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:18:59 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Subject: Re: Attention Julian Stacey X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:18:57 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > Julian, meet Paul Saab. Paul was a key FreeBSD developer for many years Thanks Scott, Nicely put. Much appreciated. BTW I removed mu.org as a reject domain record from my .../access first thing this morning, just before I received your mail. Good you confirmed OK, thanks. No disrepect to Paul Saab, just hadn't heard of him (just skim many subject). > Julian, meet Kris. Kris has been the head of the FreeBSD ports team for Long enough without peer review. Leaders don't post flame bait. ----- Below _Not_ personal criticism of any individual. ----- Ideas of Automatic peer review, rotations etc are used by clubs, companies, & governments. I'm not aware if FreeBSD has adopted them yet. - Reviews detects burn out, raised frequency of agression & attitudes etc. Sabaticals, holidays etc are good for volunteers too, not just employees. - Core are now elected by commiters, but when I suggested elections way back, it was flamed on high, so peer review could happen too. - 7 day suspensions for flamers could also help, unless they apologise within eg 48 hours to list (not necessarily recipient) for abuse of list. The problem's not even really list abuse, but that tolerating spurious alienating agression (by list or private mail) over years from a tiny minority will have reduced code etc received in consequence from numerous others deterred. We have no employing boss to knocks heads, just the opposite, a few whose periodic implicit challenge is: "Tolerate my periodic agression or I'll take my toys & leave." Perhaps most wouldn't leave. If they did, we'd still survive, FreeBSD even survived when John (swap) Dyson very unfortunately got deterred & left, probably no threatened skill loss would be harder to replace. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software