From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 15:28:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0262837B401 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FEF43F3F for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36B8FD90; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id C890BA913; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:12:52 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim To: jtylor20@attbi.com Message-Id: <20030430141252.06f0bedb.dmp@pantherdragon.org> In-Reply-To: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> References: <3EAF3E85.5060209@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:28:37 -0000 Cortland Naegelin wrote: >Could people give me an idea at what are their favorite ports are and >why. there are of what maybe 3000. I just want to get an idea as to what >ports are interesting. I have found webmin useful to manage my system. >Just curious. There's about 8600 ports, actually. As for what's interesting, pick a subject. On my desktop machine, running RELENG_5_0 with XF86 4.2.0 and KDE 3.1, I use sylpheed-claws, mozilla, opera, gaim, and xmms on a regular basis. There's also wine, acroread, grub, sudo, aterm, cvsup, and portupgrade. Then there's all the dependancies and other "behind the scenes" ports like image libraries, XF86 fonts and libraries, OpenGL and other rendering libraries, gnome libs, Qt, GTK, linux_base, glib (three versions of it), sound and multimedia libraries like esound, video decoders, and LAME, build tools like gmake, imake, expat, autoconf, and automake, and languages including perl, python, tk/tcl, and java. It's a really great example of desktop-use induced system bloat. I did a make install for 19 ports, yet there are 122 installed. My servers don't have anywhere near that kind of dependancy ratio. It's not surprising other OSes destabilize over time as users install, use, upgrade and remove software that included support libraries. It also shows how critical it is to not rely solely on the installer provided with the software.