From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 07:09:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F66D16A415; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684E743D4C; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (kvenmb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8S79Y4L067861; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k8S79YID067859; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> To: scrappy@freebsd.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:33 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20060919142455.K1031@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:42 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > and such ... I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens when October begins. At the beginning of September, the statistics were all reset to zero. > > I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the > > statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD > > instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD > > kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, > > respectively). > > The 'plus some gadgets on top' is, IMHO, important ... it shows ppl are > adopting BSD, but that, for them, those 'gadgets' are important for the > deployment ... Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at bsdstats.org. By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by bike shed discussions. *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up now. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb." -- Steve Haflich, in comp.lang.c++