From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 7 14:13:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB0916A474 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmrookie@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A5B13C46B for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmrookie@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2815780fgg.35 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=3UN7cZ/LHrPUmp1cnztgkuaME35GdS2Z2TYVkFtdCDw=; b=dPUe6xdXnUO6kU89IrceUOnLgtbtuJL9Mg02CSYK7IbQOOHvKzOXZRVcHyabbLPqpFlbRVI/w8K33E32FOe6WD0iacnM8RHiqAWEZVwwVaZd45WYkGA5Cgjp1kFudJbzWkol4oyJ+9aABZbGqNb7jDBcQvgbdQ8oJaLG4Q3bM8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ELdGt3Ke23Vi9NvEosCNT7O1zZfhL8lVqKEXKjYNrjlBMQ2mVV/ggQceFWeJJkY3NcZDnCT8AKHyuktuy686cjbwNYdoUIYxE31q7IQKbqr1GtFZ0ExTc20WSEngZ0IFarwY/zTJC3JkSimKwBK2QC5vriHj7zBL2+mZDuseesE= Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr10450631fga.41.1202393628793; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.19 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3bbf2fe10802070613mf2bf3feg5dcb480501fcfbbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:13:48 +0100 From: "Attilio Rao" Sender: asmrookie@gmail.com To: "Andre Oppermann" In-Reply-To: <47AB05A1.7010803@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3bbf2fe10802061700p253e68b8s704deb3e5e4ad086@mail.gmail.com> <47AAFDED.9030301@freebsd.org> <47AB05A1.7010803@freebsd.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9197a749fbe5dc62 Cc: Yar Tikhiy , Scot Hetzel , Jeff Roberson , Eric Anderson , freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Doug Barton , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:13:50 -0000 2008/2/7, Andre Oppermann : > Eric Anderson wrote: > > I think Alfred's point is really interesting. How many people that > > don't use it that say 'axe it' does it take to override 1 person saying > > 'keep it!'? > > The real question is how many people does it take to say 'I'll maintain > it'? Just one. Without it, it will only bitrot as evidenced by Attilios > question. NTFS is currently broken, just not as obvious because WITNESS > didn't track and enforce lockmgr locks. Andre catched exactly my point. The big problem is that we have a list of several unmaintained fs. NTFS is in this list. The support is not reliable, it is only available in read mode and eventually bugged. I'm not sure I want to keep this if nobody wants to maintain it. Attilio -- Peace can only be achieved by understanding - A. Einstein