From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 17:55:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C96106566B; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FD88FC1D; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so30286522iad.13 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:55:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JIN9qfumQ9y4H48VJc6LSHY6LJcWUeOJJySLdlYRtRA=; b=v763tjif8KRCg/Wlo7oN2DDryH45oR28iwPFoBrjOwggGxg6iIXxv6yy+JbTeHWJca +LpQl/ri6Jh09HBRgHKu+l/E7vNKeT/AHO/OOUmI7zinP4As6qBiURnacIJjmqQwPJJ6 kodbj3qOSAoON+xB9XDhXLC1uphWldxsenCyQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.159.195 with SMTP id m3mr38976140icx.33.1325181330085; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.168.137 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:55:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EFC9745.3050901@freebsd.org> References: <4EF904F2.4020109@FreeBSD.org> <4EFA1C9C.60601@FreeBSD.org> <4EFA7FD4.10600@freebsd.org> <201112290952.06834.jhb@freebsd.org> <4EFC9745.3050901@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Nathan Whitehorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Lawrence Stewart , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Ron McDowell , Doug Barton Subject: Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:55:31 -0000 On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 12/29/11 06:52, John Baldwin wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:32:52 pm Lawrence Stewart wrote: >> >>> On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>>> On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in >>>>> resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much >>>>> closer to (say, 6 months before) the 10.0 release cycle, if no suitable >>>>> post-installation configuration tool has materialised. >>>>> >>>> >>>> My concern about that approach is that 9.0 hasn't even been released yet >>>> and we've already seen changes that are going to make it hard to >>>> resurrect sysinstall if that's the decision we come to. Waiting another >>>> year or 2 would make it impossible. >>>> >>> >>> Which changes are you referring to? I would have thought a reverse merge >>> to undo the deletion of the sysinstall and old libdialog sources would >>> be very minimal work. We'd also probably need a few extra build system >>> changes to make sure old libdialog is perhaps statically compiled into >>> sysinstall as it would be the only in-tree consumer, but that's not hard >>> either. I may be lacking some imagination, but don't really see why it >>> would become harder the longer we wait. >>> >> >> I think Doug is worried that the list will just get longer, and I agree. >> Bits rot faster once they aren't part of the build. It is easy to delete >> sysinstall or trim it, it is not easy to resurrect it. Personally, the >> one >> time I used bsdinstall recently I found it to be a bit uneven, and not >> really >> a step forward for a new user compared to the "standard" install mode of >> sysinstall. It's biggest win is it's ability to do more disk >> configurations, >> but it seemed less user-friendly in almost every other regard (and even >> the >> disk editor seemd less user-friendly even if it had more functionality). >> >> > I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and especially > specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people who are old hands > at sysinstall, I've received almost universally positive comments on the > user experience. Patches would be even more appreciated, since real life > has intervened to steal most of my FreeBSD time. > -Nathan > I have installed FreeBSD 9.0 release candidates by using bsdinstall . I have selected only guided hard disk setup by selecting all defaults . For a less experienced person , by selecting the only defaults , and giving root password , a single user definition is sufficient to a successful install . With this structure of bsdinstall , I think , it is very well designed and expertly implemented . My suggestion would be , for immediate adjustment , after selecting "REBOOT" , since installer may know that install is from CD/DVD , may unmount CD/DVD , warn the user to remove CD/DVD , and request "press a key to continue" for booting . Since this part is missing , it is becoming necessary to enter a race between the user and the computer to find an interval to eject CD/DVD before captured by the BIOS . I did not use USB for install . I do not know how it is handled , but unmounting and extracting the USB stick and pressing a key to continue is also will be useful , if it is not already like that . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk