From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 21 15:21:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDA16A420; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:21:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.village.org (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58EA43D81; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:20:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6LFHtth085819; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20050721.091844.10574798.imp@bsdimp.com> To: ache@FreeBSD.ORG From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20050721143443.GB10010@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20050721134816.GA8550@nagual.pp.ru> <20050721142445.GA77847@stack.nl> <20050721143443.GB10010@nagual.pp.ru> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: marcolz@stack.nl, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rl(4) is not ready for mpsafenet net enough? (silent reboots) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:21:05 -0000 In message: <20050721143443.GB10010@nagual.pp.ru> Andrey Chernov writes: : On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 04:24:45PM +0200, Marc Olzheim wrote: : > I thought rl cards were inherently MP unsafe because of design : > flaws. Does anyone know it they can be used safely nowadays anyway ? : : This is not something about MP exactly, but about internal logic flaws. As : I wrote, I have _UP_ machine. The problem isn't that they are inherently MP unsafe (that's a *DRIVER* concept, not a hardware one in this context). The problem with REV C and earlier is that their performance sucks because the DMA engine used in the cards was LAME. Realtec fixed this in newer revisions of the chip, and the re driver is able to take advantage of that (as well as support the newer gige chips). Warner