From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:18:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816EC1065672 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (202-172-126-254.cpe.qld-1.comcen.com.au [202.172.126.254]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301F68FC12 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (unknown [192.168.0.199]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8F95C77 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:19:01 +1000 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> <20081215061228.GE5527@kokopelli.hydra> <20081215124755.Q53356@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:18:10 +1000 Message-Id: <1229343497.1647.40.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:18:21 -0000 On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 12:49 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, > > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's job". > > moderation is needed. Things like "community social pressure" > simply doesn't. Like with democracy - those who are more common and louder > will takeover, no matter if it make sense or not. > > It's already happening on that group that's why i talk about starting > moderation to remove all posts that are not about group topic! I think the list you're looking for when you talk about only discussing the base-system already exists (probably stable or arch). This is freebsd questions- and the nature of the list according to the all-knowing handbook IS for newbies, people who probably won't understand the difference between third party and base. I started here myself a long time ago, I wouldn't have the foggiest what you'd be on about if I'd have come across your comments. I hardly do now if it's any consolation, but thats more disbelief than lack of knowledge or willingness to learn. Another fact on this matter is the very point of why the reply-to of this list is not to the list itself (a matter for argument which has resurfaced on a regular basis): one does not have to be actually subscribed to this list to post to it. So of course the really fresh and uncertain ARE going to come here- this is THE first port of call. And all of this is IN the handbook.