From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jan 10 22:24:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.pit.adelphia.net (alpha.pit.adelphia.net [24.48.44.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768B115439 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evstiounin@adelphia.net) Received: from evstiouninadelphia (surf15-211.pit.adelphia.net [24.48.53.211]) by alpha.pit.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA26579; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:24:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00f801bf5bfc$d67d8620$d3353018@evstiouninadelphia.net.pit.adelphia.net> From: "Mikhail Evstiounin" To: "Salvo Bartolotta" , "Joseph Davida" Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Dynamically loadable drivers Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:26:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am suscribed on FreeBSD - $24.95 per issue - still cheaper:-) -----Original Message----- From: Salvo Bartolotta To: Joseph Davida Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dynamically loadable drivers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/10/00, 11:15:04 PM, Joseph Davida wrote regarding Re: Dynamically loadable drivers: > Thanks to all who responded. > We have decided to dump FreeBSD and Linux > in favor Solaris 8, which we obtained from > Sun for a mere $29, which is far cheaper > than bying the FreeBSD CD's from cdrom.com!! As a matter of fact, you seem to *deserve* Solaris. Intelligenti pauca. > Drivers that work on Solaris 2.51 still run > on Solaris 8!!! This is the great thing about > the DDI/DKI standardized interface, which > neither FreeBSD not Linux have any inclination > to implement. > To the FreeBSD kernel developers who keep changing > the kernel api's: > If you keep changing your tune, > soon no one will be dancing! You need a very big > dosage of humility and sensitivity to user's > needs. The tone of YOUR responses so far have been > less than professional. You should understand that > this sort of thing travels a lot faster than you > can prepare to formulate your next response. Hmmm, this is a new concept to me. Are the FreeBSD guys changing things *withouth* reason? Difficult to believe. Horresco audiens (was: referens ;-)) It seems that a whole OS has to meet the needs ... of the sound (!) subsystem. This speaks for itself. Dear Mr. Davida, please go out for a walk, have fun, and think it over again, with a fresh mind. One *simplistic* general consideration only: if you do NOT improve your code (bug fixing, code rewriting etc.) and keep a lot of "legacy code" (in order not to break backward-compatibility), you will end up in ... (wait for it) Micro$uxware ;-) Indeed, in M$uxware, sound is probably *that* important ;-) > Regards, > Joe > >From jin@portnoy.lbl.gov Mon Jan 10 15:53:03 2000 > >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:52:51 -0800 (PST) > >From: Jin Guojun (FTG staff) > >To: billf@chc-chimes.com, jd@davida.com > >Subject: Re: Dynamically loadable drivers > >Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG > > > >Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > >} On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Joseph Davida wrote: > >} > Looks like 4.0 (as of 01/05/2000) is > >} [...] > >} > I was told that the OSS driver still works > >} > with the latest Linux kernel. Perhaps > >} > it's time I switched to something that > >} > does not leave users in such a lurch > >} > with every release. > >} How vital and decisive in one's life a *sound* card can be. As Shakespeare pointed out (Hamlet), reality overcomes your wildest imagination (was: "philosophy", lato sensu). > >} Considering 4.0 hasn't released yet, I don't know what you are bitching > >} about. Linux's track record for binary compatibility isn't exactly > >} squeaky clean either. > > > >This is the urgly part of the Linux -- every release is not consistance > >and not stable -- x.y.100 broke the EA driver, x.y.101 broke EB driver, > >x.y.102 broke EC driver, etc. > > > >As we noticed that we do not have pre-release testing before 3.4-RELEASE, > >and much more bugs in the 3.x releases. Hopefully, FreeBSD will not follow > >Linux in this way. > > > > -Jin > >. > > Unicuique suum: you may as well stick to Solaris if you like. I wonder if you will ever consider a *network* card an issue -- let alone VM management, kernel organization, kernel and userland integration, high-quality documentation ... Best regards, Salvo N.B. myjokingdomain neomedia.it to e-mail to me. ***** Panton krematon metron estin antropos ... ***** (pardon my transliteration ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message