From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 22 14:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C495137B401 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F85643F85 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <20030522213051051006fmuve>; Thu, 22 May 2003 21:30:51 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h4MLW6Kc050639; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h4MLVxvX050636; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:32:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Stephen McKay References: <20030520203225.GA30587@thyrsus.com> <20030521032701.GB32155@thyrsus.com> <10y910up7t.910@localhost.localdomain> <200305221641.h4MGffLR016569@dungeon.home> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 22 May 2003 14:31:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200305221641.h4MGffLR016569@dungeon.home> Message-ID: <8i7k8iu0q8.k8i@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: ESR/OSI's Unix/Linux-history-laden treatise on SCO vs. IBM X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:30:55 -0000 I removed ESR from the CC list; I doubt that he even read my last reply. Stephen McKay writes: > >From where I sit (FreeBSD devotee, occasional Linux user, open/free source > convert) this does look very much like a theological dispute. I'll admit to taking advantage of this first (and probably last :) opportunity to converse with ESR, to express some theological things that weren't required to support my main points about unfair statements in ESR's treatise. But there WAS non-theological stuff in there. > I can't see why you are so peeved that while he's defending Linux from the > wolves he's not also pushing BSD. I also don't see why he should spend time > in a pro-Linux document bagging the GPL. You can't see why I'm peeved about that because I'm not. And I agree with your second sentence. > I can understand why some people don't like the GPL, and why some people > aren't entirely happy with the GNU philosopy, but this document isn't the > place to explore that issue. I agree. Nor should it be a place to spread misinformation about it. > Wouldn't it be much worse if nobody defended Linux and SCO crushed it? Yes. And it would be better if people didn't knowingly confuse other people to win an argument too. > Where would all the "count the angels on a pin head" arguments get you > then? To the same place as in the alternative. Responding to such questions was probably as useful as counting angles. P.S. The SCO suits aren't going to have a significant direct impact on Linux, regardless of ESR's treatise. It's value (and harm) lies in its education (and mis-education) of readers in AND AROUND the open source world. And anyone's comments on ESR's treatise will have even less effect on the SCO suits, if that's possible.