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Date:      Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:11:38 -0500
From:      Stephen Montgomery-Smith <stephen@missouri.edu>
To:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Use of C99 extra long double math functions after r236148
Message-ID:  <4FFC705A.6070403@missouri.edu>
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On 07/10/2012 11:50 AM, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>> On 07/09/2012 12:02 AM, Steve Kargl wrote:
>>
>>> Yep.  Another example is the use of upward recurion to compute
>>> Bessel functions where the argument is larger than the order.
>>> The algorithm is known to be unstable.
>>
>> By upward recursion, do you mean equation (1) in
>> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BesselFunction.html?
>
> Yes.
>
>> So what do people use.  Maybe something like
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_function#Asymptotic_forms (second
>> set of equations), but finding some asymptotics with a few extra terms
>> in them?
>
> They use downward recursion, which is known to be stable.
> NIST has revised Abramowitz and Stegun, and it is available
> on line.  For Bessel function computations, look at
> http://dlmf.nist.gov/10.74
> and more importantly example 1 under the following link
> http://dlmf.nist.gov/3.6#v

These algorithms are going to be subject to the same problems as using 
Taylor's series to evaluate exp(x) for x>0.  The computation will 
require several floating point operations.  Even if the method is not 
unstable, I would think getting a ULP of about 1 is next to impossible, 
that is, unless one performs all the computations in a higher precision, 
and then rounds at the end.

Whereas as a scientist, having a bessel function computed to within 10 
ULP would be just fine.

I am looking at the man page of j0 for FreeBSD-8.3.  It says in conforms 
to IEEE Std 1003.1-2001.  Does that specify a certain ULP?  I am 
searching around in this document, and I am finding nothing.  Whereas 
the IEEE-754 document seems rather rigid, but on the other hand it 
doesn't specifically talk about math functions other than sqrt.




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