From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 01:35:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE0B16A418 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8275613C465 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id a1011Y00K0mv7h05A01K00; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:24:21 +0000 Received: from ANTENNA.LOCAL ([68.35.224.189]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id a1QB1Y00P45o48c3X00000; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:24:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4t0EGNEL7NIA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=rPmkwSMUOqeiQCBvq4MA:9 a=FyPfLwNHsI2kJMsnWBEA:7 a=yLkgVyJ4ntyqHmYHOYJfeQjSX7cA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 Message-ID: <47817EE8.2050302@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:22:48 -0500 From: Nathan Lay User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071230) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <542798610801060556h28d300f2n4fdcf21d83d2213f@mail.gmail.com> <47813D8E.9080603@fsck.ch> <542798610801061326o63f731d5o32bef2eb2624f85e@mail.gmail.com> <20080106222040.GB67243@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <542798610801061458m2a878a9dj2d33065de3642236@mail.gmail.com> <1199667145.899.39.camel@RabbitsDen> In-Reply-To: <1199667145.899.39.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Johannes Dieterich Subject: Re: overheating Thinkpad X60s with 7.0-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:35:22 -0000 Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:58 +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: > >> On 1/6/08, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:26:48PM +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: >>> >>>> X and T series of the thinkpads are rather different, even the cores are >>>> completely different (I have a dualcore low-voltage version, I assume >>>> yours is running on a dual Pentium m, or?). >>>> >>> FWIW, I haven't seen any temperature related issues on my ThinkPad >>> X60s, which has been tracking -CURRENT for the last year or so. >>> >>> It too has had the IPW3945 replaced by an Atheros wireless card, but >>> it is still using the original HDD. >>> >>> >>> >> Can the HDD change already cause such a thing? Besides that: I have not >> configured anything myself concerning ACPI. Anyone any idea what/where/how >> to check? I DO think that the fan is working. I can hear it (and it does not >> sound ill) and it also shows in >> >> $ sysctl dev.acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4071 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 61 -1 58 43 -1 40 -1 >> >> Now not being touched at all for an hour and just idling around. Besides it >> did work under 6.2 without problems, would be a crazy coincident if right >> with the update the fan broke. >> >> Any idea anyone? :S >> > > First -- the disclaimer -- mine is X60 (not X60s), but with 1.83GHz > 32-bit CPU, so it should be somewhat similar to yours. At the moment it > has USB drivers loaded, which tends to bump CPU utilization and > temperature. It has UltraBase attached and is sitting on top of the > aluminum passive cooler pad. > > It was bought originally with the Atheros card and 100GB drive and 1GB > of memory was added later to the total of 2GB. > > System is -CURRENT as of January 5th 18:00 EST. This laptop was tracking > -CURRENT pretty close since I have acquired it 15 month ago. It does > buildwords with -j5 at least weekly. > > At the moment, I am writing this E-mail and playing some music, using > Amarok. It is on the wired network ATM, but I do not recall any thermal > problems while using wireless connection. > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 133 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 7 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2874 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 52 -1 61 39 -1 37 -1 > RabbitsDen# sysctl -a | grep temperature > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 62.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 62.0C > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 63 // You need coretemp.ko loaded > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 63 // to get these values. > RabbitsDen# > > I does look shade cooler then yours, and fan is running at the lower > speed. > > I will try to list things that I do/have done, and you can compare them > to your setup: > -- BIOS is updated to the latest level (I do keep XP partition for this > specific purpose). > -- I run powerd: > powerd_enable="YES" > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > -- I set hw.pci.do_power_nodriver="3" in /boot/loader.conf > -- I run GNOME (please, no religious wars here) > -- I set low CPU state to C2 in rc.conf > performance_cx_lowest="C2" # Online CPU idle state > economy_cx_lowest="C2" # Offline CPU idle state > > I could not think of anything else related to the temperature, ATM. > >> Thanks, >> >> Johannes >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > 62C looks awfully high for playing music and writing emails. I have a Thinkpad T43 (and T40) and it usually stays between 40-50C while doing those types of things. When its building world, I get around 70C and usually no higher. I do notice, however, that FreeBSD seemed to never use the fan to its potential on any of the Thinkpads I've used (T40 for 3 years, T43 for 3 years). Comparably, Windows XP would rev the fan far higher than even setting 'dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level=7' when under load. The fan can certainly work faster (even when booting FreeBSD, its audibly faster)...but 7 is the highest level acpi_ibm allows one to set. Here's my dev.acpi_ibm on a T43 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4677 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 44 42 33 47 33 -1 24 -1 Using dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan=1 yields similar results, but the fan runs quieter. Best Regards, Nathan Lay