From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 26 15:44:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394B6106564A; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0C18FC1C; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl76-178.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.123.178]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7QFieZf020329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:44:46 +0300 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7QFidI4036050; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:44:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7QFid0K036049; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:44:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Redd Vinylene" References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> <87abezx5yr.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:44:38 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Redd Vinylene's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:48 +0200") Message-ID: <871w0bpyqh.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: m7QFieZf020329 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.833, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.57, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I can't make world without the "games" group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:44:55 -0000 On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:48 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then. My apologies if you have >> already written all that. I caught the email thread some time after it >> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip. > > Welcome back, I hope you had a pleasant journey! Heh, thanks. It was nice in a way :) >> * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building? > > I was going from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.0-STABLE. > >> * How did you build everything? > > I put WITHOUT_GAMES="YES" in /etc/src.conf. > >> * What was the _exact_ error message you saw? > > I don't remember exactly what it said. But it was just the same as > it's always been -- make world erroring out because group `games' > doesn't exist. Thanks! I got it tracked down to the reference to 'games' in the mtree files we use to populate the installation tree with directories before installing programs and data in them. By looking at the differences from 7.0-STABLE to 8.0-CURRENT the same problem exists in both branches. >>> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon >>> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why >>> can't he load it as a module, or install a port? >> >> Insist on keeping what? The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'? > > And all the other old stuff you can disable in in src.conf. This is the same old argument about ``what should be in the base system and what should be a port''. I'm almost sure we can find people who like fortune(1) in the base system, and I can certainly understand that some people don't really care if it goes. Making it easy to disable stuff in `src.conf' is sort of a middle-path approach. I can live with that for now. If someone else comes along and moves fortune(1) and the other src/games/ stuff in a port, I won't really object either :)