From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Feb 28 12:58:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0E137B405; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1SKw0Q00966; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200202282058.g1SKw0Q00966@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Updated ATAPI/CAM patches In-Reply-To: <20020228150805.T1827-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> To: Kenneth Culver Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:00 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , Julian Elischer , Thomas Quinot , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Kenneth Culver wrote: > > Hmm, why do we need to add new layers and loss of functionality > > to the ATAPI devices ? > > Many many many people would like to be able to use cdrecord to burn data > to cd's so that all the front-ends to cdrecord will work. It's much nicer > than memorizing mkisofs commandline switches :-) Hmm, cdrecord can be used with the ATAPI sunsystem as it is, I did patches for this long ago, but noone picked it up as a port... > What functionality is lost by this ability? Compare the features of the ATAPI vs SCSI CD drivers.. > If it has so many problems... why not just clean it up? Just curious... Fine by me, but do you also volounteer the time and expertise to do that ? This is the usual case of "we want it all" but noone is willing to invest the time and energy to keep it floating. I'll state it again, I have no problem with having ATAPI being available through CAM, I'll even do the initial commit to ensure integration is done in a way I can live with in the ATA/ATAPI driver. But I do have a problem with what comes after that, I do *not* have the time nor motivation for keeping this working and upto date, let alone answering end user questions about what works and what doesn't. Do you guys have any idea what amount of time it takes to keep modern device drivers etc up to date on HW that gets new versions and types by the week ? I could use the hours I put into this each and every week (and have done for the past 3 years in case of the ATA/ATAPI driver mind you) for playing with my kids or take the vife for a dinner in town, so excuse me for beeing a little bit pissed when you say "why not just clean it up"... Now, I ask for someone with the time, the knowledge and the motivation to do the maintenance work on this when/if it gets into the sources, thats all. This is a volounteer driven project guys, you give some and then you may be getting some.. I'm getting tired of giving and only getting requests for more in return... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message