From nobody Thu Oct 28 15:50:41 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088B118189AD for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (fuz.su [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:e508::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "amnesiac", Issuer "amnesiac" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Hg94y32p9z4ktW for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 19SFofmE041935 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:50:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 19SFof3e041934 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:50:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:50:41 +0200 From: Robert Clausecker To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed Message-ID: References: List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Hg94y32p9z4ktW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fuz@fuz.su designates 2001:41d0:8:e508::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fuz@fuz.su X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.854]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fuz.su]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.830]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N A Raspberry Pi 1B+. Yours, Robert Clausecker Am Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 09:47:57AM -0600 schrieb Warner Losh: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 9:46 AM Robert Clausecker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have just bought an armv6 board a few days ago to improve package support > > for this platform. > > > Which armv6 board? > > Warner > > > > But alas apart from maintaining an assembly code base > > with specific support for armv6 FreeBSD [1], that's really the only thing > > I'm doing with it. > > > > So not really important for me either way, but if you ask I'm in favour of > > keeping armv6 support. > > > > Yours, > > Robert Clausecker > > > > [1]: https://mecrisp.sourceforge.net > > > > Am Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 09:37:03AM -0600 schrieb Warner Losh: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Given that the number of available and useful armv6 boards has fallen to > > > almost zero, the time has come to look hard at armv6. > > > > > > There's a number of options. > > > > > > 1. Keep it as is. This will only happen if there's a lot more users than > > we > > > think (and we think there's nearly zero users of FreeBSD 13 and newer > > that > > > would want to run FreeBSD 14). > > > > > > 2. Stop building packages. Given it's small to non-existent user base, it > > > makes no sense to provide a package building service for it. > > > 2a. We should likely do this anyway for all stable branches since it's a > > > net negative in terms of cost/benefit analysis: lots of effort to > > produce, > > > very little use. > > > > > > 3. Disconnect it from universe: This will mean it will rot, though. It's > > a > > > necessary step in removal. > > > > > > 4. Remove support for armv6 in base entirely. This will orphan any RPiB > > and > > > RPi0 users out there. However, the RPiB hasn't been sold in a few years, > > > and the RPI0's connectivity is severely lacking given no SDIO support. > > > > > > So, which of these steps do we do before FreeBSD 14 and which before > > > FreeBSD 15? > > > > > > My vote would be to do 1-4 for 14 including 2a. > > > > > > Warner > > > > -- > > () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world > > /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments > > > > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments