From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Apr 20 06:56:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95DD475BD for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 06:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0CC21DA for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 06:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eekee57@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B6F20983 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:56:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=JGFZ6Dj7PslKo/d5RKi+Q3nO/StiF 5NwLJ1U2Lssmi4=; b=SF0GldW4cQJfTwT2ot1wNSNaXj9bHN34dMX/AJu62zm7U vJWleZYGGOteVSPTHViDx1bdbQcqs8UIx0AouzaB+fj8mVh0FVwDWSiqYx/7shFg UyGcNrXKiyqaRqWLQM5QkklwK//WcHKKmrfZqMWtE1sz7ZTUTZTculXH+X0qVpcO oCB/qJoGkJKg9RQx5jZ/bkuGysuLdxoPM4azfuKOAlkDHY4b976Lb7pQ8Sw+P97e cEfmi75WMQq/ho4w85cfsLw8oPlraeEQpO9UJTuCuEH4ajHmjsEBqSKU8alwYF/z dhCSHyA0oN53uADwoVh8hxXdd128X0IMoyvqtMKng== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=JGFZ6D j7PslKo/d5RKi+Q3nO/StiF5NwLJ1U2Lssmi4=; b=ejL5qlBD11PFVVgpGtAMfP zwwFzGrop2CMkSiPB8ciB88h/yx/Mp+bjFTUcMkioCyDRtFJmClTR4Uazg82CHwM Gabjk2FFBUxPaIFU+sApzcvBU0/tzsCfles4cnup4G4ebk1QFy82nUcxUOQi29it 6aHlpjrvoFCVlPzqB6Dbex7xvTLworKT2ooO5v3L2wag1mHFGSPLjYdsz3M6Yyi7 GHaw9mVoFxwl7m3ZrdqTDsLEQiNwSDOvC/2NIh5WU3UUVdYMYlCSS1mWy7UUmoym Vk3z+nv+HpLJuNcBssDzmAi/k+7xADKBvusgRtUwG2JjCjrGio2tl1Fqqg6V7vKA == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6C53F48006; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1492671390.1596386.950208816.5071A04B@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-ca85a2ec In-Reply-To: <20170420052201.GC31559@lonesome.com> References: <58F61A8D.1030309@a1poweruser.com> <20170420052201.GC31559@lonesome.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 07:56:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Is pkg quarterly really needed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 06:56:32 -0000 On Thu, Apr 20, 2017, at 06:22 AM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 04:37:05PM -0400, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > > (Right now, it's quite hard to resist the paranoid suspicion that > > maybe this crazy, anti-real-user behavior is a subtle way to kill > > freebsd altogether by driving away the non-hobbyists.) > > That's one explanation. > > The other, possible, explanation, is that the efforts of a group of > volunteers isn't adequate enough for every use case -- including your own. This!!! I used to help out a little with a Linux distro, many years ago when it was feasible for a handful of hobyists to do so in their spare time. The experience was sobering. In about 5 years I went from building my own LFS system without any help (I wasn't on the net) to seeing a bunch of people just barely keep up as Xorg and Gtk+ grew circular dependency chains, some users demanded stability while others wanted updates, and of course compile times were rapidly increasing.