From nobody Sat May 20 20:14:17 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QNw0m5tN4z4BTPG for ; Sat, 20 May 2023 20:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QNw0l3bKxz42xZ for ; Sat, 20 May 2023 20:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com header.s=20221208 header.b=AhIZYyvA; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::532) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com; dmarc=none Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-510d9218506so4227193a12.1 for ; Sat, 20 May 2023 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1684613669; x=1687205669; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=PQWjVAmTMJRtqzwum09ofPK9oMU6VuT8fbibwooBadc=; b=AhIZYyvAgnlpy8WMz2TZZjaFv8cFotuJ31T3anbcIR8c2d+x3QOibOGaKagGcYicWK EnGK+Jda2Pny4AAYgxMGxE/FRTeU9+1i7JD8/S1yi2tLJhWZgzlmEDiVGm5lG08LBzLp hIOnNB2CHAnQnzf38AxA55Z91WXJ+ntLMU3hEzG356646NXPP3fdn3PNNOwm8tv8x+dM g4A0z/6miqm6wyK27yHCQLBp5xO9kOLcHzczCgBmaVkAxV35tkPdIUqcAmw5MW8iH910 eTFeIeqhUS6l0vx5oOqBNTLDTcjsTV2PEJ1F2PBmMzHQEyA5k1Q7M82t/hseD11ygRkL ffig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684613669; x=1687205669; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=PQWjVAmTMJRtqzwum09ofPK9oMU6VuT8fbibwooBadc=; b=Y4jR8QjhX9uZpja+sSFvCsstfPy4T/1OBbVw4kmmH/wiW40PyALq7ML6EwN5kNKtUP hN84q+q6vEbs7IX7ImZJkcfQFwaVy4LUPH94zgJr/hjslaWT9ZrBIWIx2SDQdg6KLmMF TfJJEyvC+1EH26T3TVRC/YrSc2CYh3ast8nxZ+1iPsQs8Oq+YrlPZNGpQVmDfhVy3E/c oKL4BJ9j2Ill0kB4m+wF1i9qUGmUyYk/vKTNSbyOIngf8eQZCcmYzSEuktofOLsucm4A 3Zzwz+uDNeCKQz/JyjSwkplX5BjhTvX5O+cIuu3H9AfguXZfQx+UTLBHTUAkf3m5yxtJ qCyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyLbA0TDmwoxf0P0qirrsCdmh9OJLSlPhcf7VHb9t2z/kuNQFJA hJABu47Ydboq+HnvSj+TllGUU5ZmDFcsyg/wx+4L7kYeH3ooHMkFIMnNpA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4xo/UUlNo5Vs8xNgksXlAxWT+PzcHjtkROvqun45oYXRljM7G92C/rjlltZkOT12+x9EGHwtOlcTlMj+0aPlU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d94d:0:b0:509:f399:278d with SMTP id l13-20020aa7d94d000000b00509f399278dmr6467231eds.5.1684613669143; Sat, 20 May 2023 13:14:29 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 14:14:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) To: freebsd-arch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000555a7205fc25afa7" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com:s=20221208]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::532:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QNw0l3bKxz42xZ X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000555a7205fc25afa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM John Baldwin wro= te: > My proposal is that for 14.x we treat i386 like any other Tier 2 > platform. That is, release images and packages would only be provided > on a best-effort basis, and we would not guarantee providing them. I > think we should also stop shipping binary updates for the base system > (freebsd-update) for 14.x for i386. > https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/envisi= oning-future-simplified-architecture.html contains Intel's plans for the future. They have removed support for bootin= g 16/32-bit and non-UEFI from their firmware as of 2020... Warner --000000000000555a7205fc25afa7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --000000000000555a7205fc25afa7--