From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 18:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B833106564A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A1E8FC14; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk (c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72ICA4c080070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:12:12 GMT (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <501ABD43.5090604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:12:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org> <501AB8C0.3020102@FreeBSD.org> <501ABD43.5090604@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:12:14 -0000 On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Doug Barton wrote: > Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected = core > team member. FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Our DevSummits are not run by a = commercial organisation, they are run by volunteers. I am not being = paid to organise the Cambridge DevSummit, I am doing it in my spare = time, as are the other people here. The resources available are those = that I can beg or borrow from the university and from other developers. = The attendance fee is =A350, which is just about enough to cover the = costs (we hope). Comparing this to a professionally organised event = like an IETF meeting, with large commercial sponsors (the IETF event you = cite is hosted by Google), and complaining that it comes up short is = insulting. Saying 'solutions exist, therefore you must have the time, = expertise, and resources to deploy them' is insulting. It is not = constructive. If you are willing to make a helpful contribution, then = it is welcome. If you are going to complain, yet not offer anything = constructive, then you are just trolling and I am wasting my time by = reading your emails, let alone replying. We have arranged to borrow a decent microphone and camera from the video = conferencing suite in the department and have planned to use Skype to = allow remote participation in two sessions. If you wish to propose a = more scalable solution that can be easily deployed here by people with = no prior experience setting up such a system, then please do so. =20 If you feel that you can do a better job organising a DevSummit than the = people who have donated their free time to organise the ones in the past = and the ones planned in the next few months, then I am certain that they = would be very happy for you to assist in the organisation. If your = attitude is 'well, I'm not going to do anything, but it must be easy = because no effort from me is involved so you should do it' then I find = your attitude personally insulting and unproductive. David