From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 17 8:36:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B537B431; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2HGaQlv010884; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2HGZBGP010864; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:35:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:35:10 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Hellmuth Michaelis Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER Message-ID: <20020317083510.A10393@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <20020317083315.GO19657@freebsdmall.com> <20020317094853.8C8AF58D@hcswork.hcs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020317094853.8C8AF58D@hcswork.hcs.de>; from hm@hcs.de on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:48:53AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:48:53AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Not taking into account (good) technical reasons, i am quite a bit > concerned about the increasing tendency to a) use "private" repositories > instead of the one and only repository every committer is able to see and > use and b) and/or use other version control systems instead of the one > and only every committer is able to use. Is this for the use of Perforce in this DP snapshot, or in general? Private repositories have been used by developers forever. I have several toolchain repos that I don't share. JDP's FAQ on how to commit to your own branch and still use CVSup to update your repo is a FAQ for a reason. :-) My earlier concerns about the use of Perforce were when a developers expected other developers to use Perforce for _shared_ development. Or that tried to claim that their code was "published" if it was in the Perforce depot on Freefall. In this use of Perforce for a -CURRENT snapshot; I don't see how people can bitch and bitch about it. No committer or developer has EVER had CVS "access" or "sight" of the source used in previous snapshot CDROMs. So people are loosing nothing. Perforce is just a tool to assist Murray and Co. in making this snapshot CD. As much as mkiosfs and cdrecord. You've never known which versions of those tools were used before -- and some versions of mkiosfs have annoying bugs in the resulting ISO. This has not bothered people before. People can already see the commits that are going on in -CURRENT up to 15-March-2002 -- which is when the source was "checked out" and tagged in Perforce. The other reason to NOT do this in the CVS repository is that it will help deemphasize that the DP is NOT a RELEASE. People should not be CVSup'ing hoping to get just that point in time, they should not be expecting a "RELENG_5_DP1" branch where security and serious bug fixes are applied like the "RELENG_4_5" branch. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message