From nobody Mon Jul 20 13:59:55 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4h3hwh1SWdz6m1LR for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 14:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com (mail-ot1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4h3hwg6cFTz3mWT for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 14:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-7e6b5737bb2so8110246a34.1 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd.org; s=google; t=1784555998; x=1785160798; darn=freebsd.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type:mime-version :references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to:content-type; bh=Rn0+NDbFEHv4Ve3INU2TrR3gENL2sLc9Zs1XTkxwfZc=; b=XwKG3M4W1SqbdSYROzjUh1Dcjqd0kGPx2puTkqkoLV/CHSXGE6mBQqBoFGpGDfUmcg +khP3+9WsWKhAE0IznNckscBLUM+uiD0Ddm/k/hvqPEgci3uJZXItNiBq1ldUrkkpw3g 0a24Dol2cIMHJQis8uoZd1EPR7b5ah2X/XmC58j5ktdsPEa0GX89T5La4pNTo3M8MxL9 gYJRBhcMddeL1HekRAeCpWqsXMqAVPSC+wYoDSB0094BDvIyy8j1Bg1I42FVjHTSq30d NUVKv7sXLskskBjPe1DZRXMlUxwThjZ2F2pvSnWsOsnoX+Qro0ERPFiRU2KmOytzFS4j QZ6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20251104; t=1784555998; x=1785160798; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type:mime-version :references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-gg :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to :content-type; bh=Rn0+NDbFEHv4Ve3INU2TrR3gENL2sLc9Zs1XTkxwfZc=; b=cpzV2Co4Y2yQdkvFqCAXUIWzq/EwwQQ17rAko1EU5EFHJ86jpvswnftdTRkECXpYWh l5HFxFeePrcsViqiV6lhp8QCbH6cztJqWOnZJu22nUK2ZjeGar6qbggGWQugBys0qG6a yb3eBXjDQyH+L2lYAbrzADMEhTG0iA/1rYnuc3VsPXNKDcXGVuA5U7uX/AjoT0PWEmUn 3VwoR4FoeQYcmq7o+8ZqMRewLeU+wef/xUdNKTHE8aUamthnSdC35IvBzkEsmMeC4EQY vPTgUrr1y2MVHXt4Zj2ynHbt9f2yu6ttzj4ja8i9fE/62VpoWKcD+VinPj9dubx+/Yau H1jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxtpsQHicjsjjDawPflpB9aOxQ93Bh80EjJ/SDSGNhdI7ckziLE lcxrZBz8Ak1kkPo4RqQ9LZUqsdpPkEkE2JaGJP1dxXi0ydGapqfTIBfHHE8w69Vetrc= X-Gm-Gg: AfdE7cnfkSaKW3aWq6Z+g2LlVmWsSK/aN6g/TrXgiqRg2gKK12F+Y28pkf7w5evYXP0 agkFl2u68aZSU5qzKphmLPHSMgCznqEONl13bVEmVn0O52eV0hBEzJv3tYOqtCv0qWzkBwSeK0y A9BJITDoT2GKfPvejhymU6ydjXIy/U9L5/bKg9aa1Sa/2g1A8CDgua/JDb8KBQ4fPAwcjTKiQ4S TqCU4m9U3C71Jfp2s4cUdYab6OntGST+URt7bPbWksccsvrXx27qEWyJ4c041aPoV4QS0my1/k/ 5mutPj5yqU13jcF6qslnY8oyZx491mh4l/Z/76KU5bw/HwQ3o1JoFBVo+GPdkEo+IdFTTP+mqV4 r21s5aOMTySXt/e+687iM8c0P6tuOA/nPpU06B+r19bshJyIanRDCZ7Nh8gB0zX+tNs5K6n4AYB 3TLID+4xTymjbM X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:64c9:b0:7eb:3af8:8c09 with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-7ed9aa576edmr8424252a34.3.1784555997872; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutt-hbsd ([97.112.164.127]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 46e09a7af769-7edad91dc3bsm8018094a34.3.2026.07.20.06.59.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 20 Jul 2026 06:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 13:59:55 +0000 From: Shawn Webb To: vermaden Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound Message-ID: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hbsd 15.1-STABLE-HBSD FreeBSD 15.1-STABLE-HBSD HARDENEDBSD amd64 X-PGP-Key: https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/blob/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="376x5xgxe24smjeg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3hwg6cFTz3mWT X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --376x5xgxe24smjeg Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 02:04:25AM +0200, vermaden wrote: > Hi. >=20 > For a start lets define some TERMS. I use UPPERCASE not to shout - but to= underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - this is= plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that in = mind - now - to the core of the issue ... >=20 > I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all ALS= A/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world ... but not any= more. >=20 > Somewhere between 14.3-RELEASE and 14.4-RELEASE things begin to get broke= n - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15.1-RELEASE would solve = my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things. >=20 > I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into this: >=20 > % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=3D+0.05 >=20 > ... from MUCH MORE friendly syntax. >=20 > But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable ... and I can not= even tell where they came from ... is it OSS problem? Is is PulseAudio pro= blem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the logs for audio. >=20 > Its also possible to get that file from my personal 'mediafire.com' accou= nt here: > - https://mediafire.com/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound.m= p4/file >=20 > ... and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday ... its a ThinkPad T480 = =66rom 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth as Carlos= Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP ... but not anymore. >=20 > I do not even know what to add here ... its a message send our of despair= ... as newer releases only made these things worse ... I have been repeati= ng this over and over again - but its again probably the issue that 'too le= ss' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily driver/desktop/laptop sys= tem. >=20 > Sorry to disappoint. I've been experiencing audio issues as well since the recent work started a little while ago (a year? two years? my chronological memory isn't the best.) It's broken bad enough that I now don't use audio on my systems at all. I haven't filed any bug reports, though, because it just hasn't been a priority for me. I've got tons of other systems where audio works fine and it's not really a bother to use those instead of my fbsd/hbsd systems. The only downside is when I want to make sure the YouTube link I'm about to post in random places is really the right one from an audio perspective. Perhaps some day I'll care enough about the problem to actually dig in. But for now, I've got higher priority items on my list to tackle. I just thought I'd provide another anectodal data point with this email. Thanks, --=20 Shawn Webb Cofounder / Security Engineer HardenedBSD Signal Username: shawn_webb.74 Tor-ified Signal: +1 (719) 756-1197 / activist_opsec.27 https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A= 4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc --376x5xgxe24smjeg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJPBAABCAA5FiEEA6TL67gupaZ9nzhT/y5nonf44foFAmpeKb0bFIAAAAAABAAO bWFudTIsMi41KzEuMTIsMiwzAAoJEP8uZ6J3+OH68G8P/A7LHkCTKQ/fZ0k9ZkiY IHP0q7kNCo1gGUahE0+dsMoF9aA0Xj6rZKyG/f1T1M6HKjILFUJ8M8o+PXK4EzFQ EXju/kYuzvdcpZ4Qj/RX00btxrYg2VFqXFdSZsxzBBSuPf49p5wI/KvY43zmSCPR r0aw5U4fwaZ/JYdIlDftwQlCFWH5hKqdh6J11RR5+JlQjql7AeK71PXz9f8ZWUil Bv7ZZIL8iAe95EQrcIChBkoxv9e8j5uhc9wsRCCvF3uXZOJrKOtjpm+tR9EgwxRC AxOu4HxuUAvZHy4S5mjkVpRAruMjjChP/JXZC3IxNwfD0KSvQ7hYXodoS/fqrFWk kvvIiQZTgicDroKuHQarbgUI9VMvRIorgZQv3HEvQJMFl1SCEP7EajaiDx7ZriIE fbsT9lC5Iyu8RdRefa38mEpRklBAQk0noPUA5TSMqbnnR/18a+EfCfgAO4qDcep4 ISFR1Iq5WuwDtbj73KCOgVFizWq7DdH4YU1Qn4NerA2Cy2StfknxZV6emaYRT+2B RDvoAfevBQ5QbGkdBbo06JPrkLCEBUiOUC9l1HYPptkMXrrWJb76h0sTJKXLh/N3 vPMDrxK1MHEw+BqLaPs4bdCPCg8MEt3oRMHwbkwJFMqHA0kuf5Z8l2hucKvoPLeu 4JtOaDl4ZWY+b3+WVmILZOeu =sja+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --376x5xgxe24smjeg--