Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:01:45 +0100 From: Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com> To: Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flavors *COMPLETELY* break the port system (synth and poudriere are useless) Message-ID: <a7a1be40-c20a-014b-3501-7a5b5deb1580@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72f02c32-f5d1-6c3c-f248-4548f04a7b0d@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAGBxaXmwzXqZXSKX4-_qe15L3Xa8bVx%2BsFnFrxoksY8Ka3gS3w@mail.gmail.com> <7a9a2753-6460-a2bf-5156-5eab92a0b2f8@FreeBSD.org> <0a06d3dd-10a7-fd87-9348-f520f3dfc175@columbus.rr.com> <72f02c32-f5d1-6c3c-f248-4548f04a7b0d@FreeBSD.org>
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Op 06/12/2017 om 10:53 schreef Mathieu Arnold: > Le 05/12/2017 à 23:25, Baho Utot a écrit : >> >> On 12/05/17 17:09, Mathieu Arnold wrote: >>> Le 05/12/2017 à 10:53, Aryeh Friedman a écrit : >>>> TL;DR; >>>> Flavors <bleep>'ed up ports and there are no good ways/alternates >>>> for how >>>> to use the ports collection for normal everyday users/maintainers >>> >>> Thank you for supporting all the hard work and countless hours that so >>> many volunteers put in making the ports tree better. >>> >>> It really helps motivate all of us continue bringing the ports tree >>> forward when we get emails with so much joy and positive attitude. >>> >>> >> Thank you for taking a perfectly good system and breaking it as well >> as making it unusable, unstable. You just don't know of all the >> countless hours spent after running an update and taking a week to get >> it working again. >> >> It really helps motivate all of us users to continue to have to fix >> broken systems due to broken ports system and then be told how great >> things are, brings us so much joy and keeps our attitude positive. > For the users using binary packages, poudriere, or the ports tree > directly nothing changed. > > For users of third party abandonware, well, they were warned that it was > bound to happen at one point, and guess what, it happened. I don't > really understand why you continue spending all this time complaining > whereas switching to, say, poudriere, would have taken you about 5 minutes. > > Well maybe people complain because it broke things for them. Not every one is on the mailing list. There are a lot of people who use FreeBSD and update there ports tree once in a while. Secondly portmaster worked for the most of them, now they need to install poudriere. Poudriere seems big. I think FreeBSD confronted a lot of people with installing a new piece of software they do not know. Maybe a explanational webpage of how to replace portmaster with poudriere would have made these discussions needless. All they here now is you need to use poudriere, if you google at poudriere you read a lot of things about dedicated poudriere farms and it all sounds a little over whelming. Do I need a build farm for these 10 ports ?? We need to make it as simple as possible for these people to use poudriere. Most people where using portmaster -d -a So explain them if you use portmaster -d -a then install poudriere, put this in your poudriere.conf and the run the following command. Not of us are tech saffy's that like to install new stuff and find out how it works, there are a lot of users that just USE FreeBSD and need it to do things for them. So for the next great ports addition create a wiki page and tell users how they can do things. Take them by the hand. A lot of users really like it and keep them in the FreeBSD camp instead of scaring them off. Secondly, what is flavour, you need to google it to find anything about it. Why is there not a link on the FreeBSD front page that links to a full explanation at the ports flavour thing. Why was there not an Latest news item that the ports tree is going to receive flavour support in X days and that allmost all port tools will not work anymore, Why is there not an item that the ports tree is flavoured at this point? These things that impact FreeBSD this much must be communicated a little more. Regards Johan
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