From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 10 4:49:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [65.0.135.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D13637B71A for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from mobile.wemm.org (mobile.wemm.org [10.0.0.5]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2ACnDp21976 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2ACnCh16057; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200103101249.f2ACnCh16057@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Chen Zhao Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point In-Reply-To: <20010310013331.A57865@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 04:49:12 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chen Zhao wrote: > \- Mike Smith stated on > /- [Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0800]: > > > > NDA's in this particular space serve a limited set of purposes: > > > > - They constitute engineering damage control; witness Realtek's > > unhappiness at Bill's honest commentary on their documented parts. > > Oh, is there also a recommended gigabit adapter? Tigon? Intel? STAY AWAY FROM THE INTEL GIG CARDS!! (Sorry for the shouting, but it is an important point). I have the NDA'ed docs for the Intel gig and fxp cards. After Intel's spectacular efforts to bury Johnathan Lemon's driver for their gig card (that outperformed the Intel Linux driver by something like a factor of 5), I have lost all respect for Intel's networking division. As long as Intel are being this stupid, Intel hardware is never going to be well supported. The fxp driver is starting to slip behind because Intel wont give DG updated fxp docs without him signing an NDA that prevents him from releasing the updated driver. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message