From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 22:17:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E1BD43; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CDC8FC0C; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:17:50 +0100 From: vermaden Subject: Re: kern/148741: [sound] Headphones are deaf (do not work) on Lenovo ThinkPad X300 To: Alexander Motin X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <50B4EE7C.6050900@FreeBSD.org> References: <201211261511.qAQFBYM6080933@freefall.freebsd.org> <50B45C7F.9080502@rawbw.com> <20121127073752.GF94814@jd.benders.se> <50B4EE7C.6050900@FreeBSD.org> X-Originating-IP: 95.40.61.156 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1354054670; bh=Wj0fnRAHMWCadxPC8nTvLmbGD0nEa3gqrtQUbJEH0uc=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:References: X-Originating-IP:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aI21I4u3nr0EqRi0tgSIz2UUCtAnRICElqjgL8+GJBAvcP5ZVXIl53zMvB5Kj7IyE RjDu3uNUWdPudrxmyIakGP9hudCftLeBrnET99fBIVWsXwa8ZbCUUmjNGMuNCZW1lt Xp4hMYAwbNCUzmOnlRljR3WITG2lIQ+3kNHkcAlg= Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:17:52 -0000 "Alexander Motin" pisze: > On 27.11.2012 09:37, Joel Dahl wrote: > > On 26-11-2012 22:23, Yuri wrote: > >> On 11/26/2012 21:59, vermaden wrote:mav@FreeBSD.org: > >>>> Synopsis: [sound] Headphones are deaf (do not work) on Lenovo ThinkPad X300 > >>>> > >>>> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > >>>> State-Changed-By: mav > >>>> State-Changed-When: Mon Nov 26 15:09:31 UTC 2012 > >>>> State-Changed-Why: > >>>> Proposed hints looks like overkill, but as far as it works, that is OK. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=148741 > >>> Closing this PR is OK under one of these conditions: > >>> > >>> - LINK to that X300 specifical configuration/hack PR should be within FreeBSD Handbook. > >>> - Information for X300 specific configuration should be directly in the FreeBSD Handbook. > >> > >> Or there should be the quirks-like mechanism in hda driver incorporating > >> these hints on the device by device level. > > > > We had this in the hda driver before mav rewrote it. The rewrite was a > > definite improvement in most cases and it almost always works without user > > intervention now, but I still think we need some kind of quirks functionality. > > I don't buy the "hardware is obsolete in 6 months" argument. I have several > > 3+ years old laptops at home. All working great. Asking users to play around > > with device.hints just to get sound working (it's 2012 after all, not 1992...) > > isn't all that user-friendly. If someone manages to figure out the > > correct configuration for a specific laptop, we should make sure we pick it up > > and include it in the driver. This will save the next user with the same > > hardware at least a few gray hairs... > > I haven't removed support for model-specific hacks, even moved them into > separate file to make easier to handle them. If there is so much > interest to this specific model, I don't mind to add it. But first we > have to clean up the problem. Provided hints look more like inconsistent > combination of hints from different systems. So at first we should find > out which of these lines are really useful and why. Vermaden, could you > do some binary search and upload somewhere verbose dmesg output for > better understanding of the situation. dmesg or dmesg -a? Should I do that dmesg with these device.hints loaded or without them? (or both)? Regards, vermaden