From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 20 16:03:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FFDDF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yamagi.org) Received: from mail.yamagi.org (mail.yamagi.org [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:2102:1::7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826A014B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lennart-ws.pwag-local.de (unknown [212.48.125.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yamagi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F7FD1666312; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:03:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:03:08 +0100 From: Yamagi Burmeister To: ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: snd_envy24{,ht} recording support? Message-Id: <20130320170308.94b4cdb7e52d664279b4adcb@yamagi.org> In-Reply-To: <1363779850.586.86.camel@archlinux> References: <20130313215327.d4d84624ddc07ca07b83a879@yamagi.org> <20130320085207.b21d890c59babbeea0431da9@yamagi.org> <1363767755.586.32.camel@archlinux> <1363779850.586.86.camel@archlinux> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:03:10 -0000 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:44:10 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > You can spend as much money on a sound card as you like, but if the > > sound card is only outputting digital data over SPDIF to a separate > > DAC, then there is no difference between the cheapest card and the > > most expensive card, both would sound identical. > > I don't like consumer SPDIF, but this is OT now, indeed I'm thinking of > analog IOs. > > So I'll rephrase my claim: Analog IOs and D/A, A/D converters of _all_ > on-board devices are crap! And that's the truth. One of the main reasons for me to buy an Envy24ht was the crappy quality of the AC97 onboard chips back then. But HDA is a lot better (I'm still able to hear a difference between the HDA in my current desktop and the Envy) and most people are just stupid endusers without any interest in hi-fi. For them HDA is good enough and because of that most affordable high end consumer soundcards vanished. But as you said, that's OT. So let's return to the topic. :) -- Homepage: www.yamagi.org XMPP: yamagi@yamagi.org GnuPG/GPG: 0xEFBCCBCB