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([32.155.82.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k8sm72046880qba.25.2009.01.14.08.47.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:47:35 -0800 (PST) References: <20090113044111.134EC1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> <20090113222023.GA51810@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <496D1ED6.4090202@FreeBSD.org> <496DD37E.5010900@gmx.de> <58DAD35B6CCC476E89B9D02F51041E87@PegaPegII> <20090114134436.GA15158@freebsd.org> <20090114152524.GA23889@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20090114152628.GA35621@freebsd.org> Message-Id: <0C40A289-8A7D-4492-A58B-914E566D40DE@gmail.com> From: Garrett Cooper To: Roman Divacky In-Reply-To: <20090114152628.GA35621@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5G77) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5G77) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:47:23 -0800 Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , Christoph Mallon , Pegasus Mc Cleaft , Steve Kargl , Doug Barton Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become standard compiler?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:47:39 -0000 On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:26, Roman Divacky wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 07:25:24AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 02:44:36PM +0100, Roman Divacky wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:38:56PM -0000, Pegasus Mc Cleaft wrote: >>>>> Doug Barton schrieb: >>>>>> Pegasus Mc Cleaft wrote: >>>>>>> At the moment you can already compile gcc 4.3 from the ports >>>>>>> tree, >>>>>>> however things like binutils only seems to exist in the ports >>>>>>> as a cross >>>>>>> compiling tool. How hard would it be to add binutils as a port >>>>>>> and make >>>>>>> the gcc 4.x ports dependent on it? This way you can install >>>>>>> gcc 4.3 with >>>>>>> the assembler and linker that play nice together during the >>>>>>> build? At >>>>>>> the moment, I have had to make binutils from a gnu downloaded >>>>>>> source and >>>>>>> then make gcc 4.3 with a silly make, IE: make AS=/usr/local/ >>>>>>> bin/as >>>>>>> .......... >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this would be an excellent approach. I am not sure I >>>>>> agree >>>>>> with the idea that we _must_ have a compiler toolchain in the >>>>>> base but >>>>>> it should definitely be possible to "replace" the toolchain in >>>>>> the >>>>>> base with one from ports with a minimum of hassle. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure I like the idea of not having _a_ compiler in the >>>> base. I'm >>>> not really sure how that would work when you wanted to update and >>>> build the >>>> sources. I suppose you would need to install a binary port of the >>>> compiler >>>> (et. all) before you could build a more recent tool-chain. >>>> >>>> Perhapse another option.... >>>> >>>> If gcc 4.2 && buildtools 2.15 is the end of the road for what >>>> BSD is >>> >>> has anyone actually LOOKED? I think the binutils are still under >>> gplv2 >>> >>> at least this is what their root COPYRIGHT file says >>> >>> http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/COPYING?cvsroot=src >>> >> >> It's not true. >> >> http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/gas/?cvsroot=src >> >> See COPYING. > > so something is GPLv3 and something is still GPLv2.... too bad gas > falls into the v3 category :( A number of gnu stuff isn't straightforward when it comes to licensing. Take gcc for instance: it's actually gpl v2 and v3, but it all varies based on what file you look at. I'm just amazed glibc isn't gplv3 yet. -Garrett