From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 21:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6271616A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:46:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D155E43D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:46:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jdow@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dDh8A/HUfvrT+i4Hr9ziIbM52lDgD3a36yt8ujIe6fnc8m+xHyHW5qM4cCpZdR+J; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.116.170.241] (helo=kittycat) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EO02g-0002dG-2E for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:46:14 -0400 Message-ID: <061601c5cb88$88e99f50$1225a8c0@kittycat> From: "jdow" To: References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi><20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net><20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org><20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net><20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org><20051006221541.GA38659@neptune.atopia.net><20051006224214.GD8320@freebsdmall.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:46:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-ELNK-Trace: bb89ecdb26a8f9f24d2b10475b571120cc8b9a63b773d0ba4dae09b665b6964c918ad429bbf3e4f1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.116.170.241 Cc: Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:46:20 -0000 From: "Garance A Drosehn" > At 3:42 PM -0700 10/6/05, Murray Stokely wrote: >>On Thu, Oct 06, 2005, Dan Ponte wrote: >> > One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's >> > needs just fine. However, I doubt that will happen. >> >>Uhm, it didn't suit people's needs just fine. It was total crap >>with dozens of disorganized links all over the front page and >>second level pages topping 100k as they had just grown larger >>and larger over time and noone had stepped back to look at how >>bad it all was for someone coming to the site for the first >>time to find any useful information. > > I agree with Murray. I'm sure the new design can be improved upon > some more, but the previous web pages had gotten to the point that > they actively annoyed me. Too large, too much info crammed into > some of the pages. I have been saving URL's directly to some inner > web pages, for no other reason than to avoid bringing up the main > web page. And once you're AVOIDING the web page, then it doesn't > much matter how much info was crammed into it. As a newbie (to FreeBSD not to 'nix) I found the older pages had the information more accessible than the newer pages, which I rather involuntarily had the opportunity to A/B test when I was installing FreeBSD for the first time. Between FreeBSD coming up actively user hostile (DECUS UNIX from 197x was no worse) and the web page changes t became a challenge to find the documentation pages I needed to work with. I also disable font size selection on the browsers I use. I have a large screen. I like to sit comfortably back and use large fonts to lose the "dottiness" of 8 dot high fonts such as many of the news service and blog pages use. This makes fixed size pages all neatly calibrated in pixels look like warmed over twice. Pages that adapt to reality are much nicer. With regards to the rather spartan new front page I note that while I was setting up 5.4-RELEASE I also noted that there was a 6 in test and had filed that for investigation once I got basic essentials more or less working. When I went back to do that I had to mouse around for 10 minutes before I found 6-CURRENT was what that former link had been about. (In the mean time I found 7-CURRENT with no references to 6-CURRENT. I mumbled to myself, "WTH, FreeBSD is doing marketdroid tricks with version numbers? Can't be!") So for what it is worth this is the reaction of a newbie (but only to BSD rather than DECUS, SVR4, and Linux) who faced an involuntary A/B test. I much prefer the old first page, although I cannot say I was hugely in love with it. As observed it was a little busy. But over compensation is not a correct response to "a little". It's line you moved 20 dB when 1 dB would have been sufficient. {^_^} Joanne