From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 16 05:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE3E16A41F; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:09:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF0C43D46; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:09:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0G59Lut057568; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <43CB2A80.7090602@samsco.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:09:20 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Leimbach References: <20060111212605.79848.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C57A7A.3080802@elischer.org> <3e1162e60601111405x59e7e70dyf57c74b01e888e8a@mail.gmail.com> <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org> <43C5BA62.3010301@elischer.org> <43C5BB37.6040202@samsco.org> <9ab217670601111821u27cb9852w@mail.gmail.com> <43C9E5A1.5070203@freebsd.org> <43C9E8ED.4030209@samsco.org> <3e1162e60601150741y7d8f110bla8f52ab32d93e793@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60601150741y7d8f110bla8f52ab32d93e793@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Tim Kientzle , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Intel Macs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:09:26 -0000 David Leimbach wrote: > > > On 1/14/06, *Scott Long* > > wrote: > > Tim Kientzle wrote: > > Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > > > >>> iMac, download the EFI spec from www.intel.com > , open up the existing > >> > >> > >> For the lazy / impatient / bad searchers: > >> http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/ > > > > > > On a related note, anyone know about any VMWare or Xen or other > similar > > virtual machine environment for Mac/Intel? (FreeBSD on Virtual > PC on > > Rosetta sounds very scary... ;-( > > > > Tim > > > > A meta-question to this is whether it will be possible to compile and > boot OpenDarwin on these x86 machines, like you can with the PPC ones. > If you can then I see no reason why Darwin couldn't be Xen-ified and > serve as a Domain-0 host. > > Scott > > > > I can't think of why opendarwin wouldn't work on a machine apple > actually supports hardware-wise. Then again I didn't see any new > releases of software on opendarwin.org relating > to 10.4.4 yet :). > > I know the guy at apple who used to make these releases though and he's > been working on a cool build system for building the whole system from > the tarred snapshot releases from time to time. I used to test this > stuff for him. > > It will take interested people with actual time to do the Xen port of > course. I'm not sure how much work a Xen host port is compared to a Xen > guest though. > > Dave > I guess I should clarify myself a bit. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that OpenDarwin will boot on the Intel machines eventually, even if the source isn't available today. What I'm really wondering about is whether OpenDarwin will be able to support OSX on those machines. And yeah, Kevin has done a good job with the OpenDarwin build system. It still has a long ways to go before it's as nice as the FreeBSD one, but it's better than it used to be =-) Scott