From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 13:10: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 188D337B421 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 54755 invoked by uid 100); 4 Apr 2002 21:09:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15532.49430.142508.960515@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:09:42 -0600 To: "Randall Hamilton" Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" , Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix In-Reply-To: <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> References: <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <012601c1dadb$104d5100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.2846.277278.29276@guru.mired.org> <005e01c1db44$e10d2a40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.27851.19169.720598@guru.mired.org> <001301c1db55$7c883950$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <009201c1db5e$41b1baa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.33743.830853.456500@guru.mired.org> <000f01c1db68$0bbad580$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.37605.851236.651200@guru.mired.org> <004901c1db69$9a1cc3f0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.38785.141595.336871@guru.mired.org> <007601c1db6c$9daac550$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.40067.230080.806545@guru.mired.org> <009b01c1db6f$fca61480$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.41974.162478.960468@guru.mired.org> <00a501c1db75$9cf9fcd0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <15531.44009.426543.851156@guru.mired.org> <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <00c901c1db78$e64255b0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton typed: > > > In <00a501c1db75$9cf9fcd0$0301a8c0@NITEDOG>, Randall Hamilton > typed: > > > > Personally, I think your definitions are badly skewed. A desktop > > > > machine is a machine that sits on someone's desk so they can use it > > > > for whatever needs they have. A workstation is either a machine that > > > > runs one application, or a desktop that had a fancy label hung on it > > > > to raise the price. A workstation *used* to be a high end desktop that > > > > used SCSI drives and similar high-grade hardware, but that's been > > > > polluted by the second definition above. > > > No..i believe my discriptions work just fine for me. while you are used > to > > True, but it's out of line with a large chunk of reality. > believe what you wish. I believ what I see. > > > seeing desktops used in offices...i normally see workstations. while > > > workstations WERE highend machines 10 years ago..the general definition > of a > > > workstation is an office machine nowadays. > > That's the second of my two definitions, from a different > > perspective. A workstation *used* to be a high end machine. So PC > > makers starting hanging that moniker on desktop machines to raise the > > price, thus watering the term down to what you're using. However, the > > believe that those are "low end machines" is false. Sure, some of them > > may be. Then again, so are some home machines. On the other hand, if > > the person who's using it is doing video conferencing over the network > > as part of their job, they've got lots of CPU and a fat pipe - among > > other things. > *shrug* > i suppose that the myrid of companies that popped up selling all different > kinds of thin-clients and imachines were for the CAD software then? No, they were for the home market. I didn't see anyone trying to sell them to businesses, just to consumers who didn't want to deal with complete computers. > if you need further information on what general companies run...simply walk > into any middle sized office building. rest assured that all the machines in > those cubicles are not high powered CAD rendering machines...but old and > rather weak machines that tend to run office..outlook and really cute > backgrounds on thier windows machines...that are just adorable. I've worked at those sites. You're right - most of the machines are old boxes that go to people who don't need specialized applications. However, the majority of the cash spent on hardware is spent on high-end machines for the people who need them. As the boxes get old, they get handed down to the people who don't need them, then sold - or given - to the employees after they've been completely depreciated. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message